My sunroof doesn't rattle, trim doesn't fall off the roof, seats are little wrinkly, but that's cuz I beat the **** out of them going in and out of my car 6 times a day, the spoiler thing isn't a big deal.

I have not had ONE SINGLE PROBLEM with my car. Sounds like you got yourself a particular bad car, b-spot

 

my cobalt feels incredibly smooth at high speeds, my civic when i pushed it felt like it was falling apart, then again i had a 99 dx, maybe the new ones are alot more refined, but my cobalt is definitely a step up

 

everyone..read my signature! It explains why the mags rate the way they do.

 

yes thanks for bringing that up...for those of you that didnt read that.....

back in september road and track, the same rag, i mean mag, that i started this string about, compared the SS/SC against the 05 Acura (expensive honda) rsx type s. if any of u read this article, it actually gave alot of praise to the SS/SC. it actually beat the rsx in that eddition of the mag, buy price dependent measure, by .4 points. thats almost a tie, these guys wanted so bad to give it to the acura, but new they would get stoned if they did, so they kept it close saying the $230 difference was enough to claim the win for chevy....smell that...thats BS!!! it beat the acura in every cat except 700 ft slalom, lost by.2 secs. but its .5 sec faster in 1/4 mile, and 0 to 60....also better braking.

now also that month, september, a rag, mag Car and driver, rated the SS/SC, the redline, srt4, wrx, and the same rsx in a side by side. after saying some nice things about the SS, they said it was competent and fun but not likely to luanch a cult. WTF??? the other things wrong, plasticy interior, thrashy above 4000rpm, and say nothing steering. hum...lows for the rsx....always reving, always shifting, always busy. again, wtf???

if u guessed the acura won this contest....ud be right!!! actually allow me to quote what they wrote......
"here we go again, the same old comparo, our underdog victor has the worst 0 to 60 time, slowest 1/4 mile time, skimpest back seat, and the most lackluster autocross lap. go ahead and write letters, were used to it. what makes this car a goliath is its 8100 rev ripping steroid slot car on weekends, and intellectually sophisticated upscale six jewel commuter on weekdays. plus when your neighbhor asks what car you bought it is cooler to say Acura than Dodge." there actual words, no joke!!! i smell it, do you???

does all that horsecrap make sense. am i to believe that i am stupid for not driving an acura? is this the kind of image you guys thought about before you bought the car. or is it because you want an inferior underperforming car that is cooler than a dodge? whats that.... HELL NO!!! i bought it cause it will kick a rsx type S's ass!!! i dont give a rip about what anybody thinks, and i dont think any performance person has ever thought i better buy car x because its cooler than car y...its cause its faster.

anyway just some of my thoughts i had pent up for the last 3 or 4 months....sorry to carry on..........anybody else feel this way, give me an amen................

 

no problem...as listed in december road and track.........

0 to 60... 6.8 sec they list SS/SC 0-60 @6.2

0-1/4 mile... 15.1 @ 94.6 SS/SC listed as 14.8 @ 96.8

top speed est 129 mph......... you know our top speed

skidpad 0.85g ........ SS 0.84g

slalom 68.6 mph ...... SS 66.9 mph

brake rating is very good

also 0-40 is 3.8 secs where the SS/SC is 3.7

0-100 for si is 16.8 and for the SS/SC 15.9.......almost a sec..thats a couple cars lengths!!!

also braking for the si is 60-0 133ft, 80-0 228ft....SS 60-0 118ft...80-0 212ft

wieght on si is 2880 or as tested 3060 lb.......SS is listed at 2970 tested 3145

torque in the si is 139ftlbs at 6200.....SS 200ftlbs @ 4400.....ALOT MORE.....

hope this helps..........

 

AMEN!!! couldn't have said it better myself.... as a matter of dfact, i belive they only say it like that (car x is cooler then car y) cuz of thos ppl who aren't too concerned about speed. but then there aren't many ppl gunna buy these cars in top form for anything but speed.... 1 more x AMEN!

 

They said that the Fit-and Finish was better though right?? Well you would have to be crazy to say a Chevy has a better fit-n-finsih than a Honda!! Thats what makes them so popular... and this new Civic is nice as hell! Its like 20K out the door for an EX with touch screen navigation!

 

thats the only thing i envy the Civic for the nav system... other then that, the "Fit and finish" of these cars is very similar!

 

im with u all the way! .....my brother has a 7th gen civic.....and i gotta say......cobalt still has a way to go....

 

no....i got the exact same things....except i dont have a spoiler

 

Well said! You should submit that to C&D..I give them credit for atleast admitting their bias though. Most companies would shy from that. I can't believe they had the ***** to say publicly that the reason the Acura wins is because it's an Acura..and that's the only reason

 

They said it was competent and fun but not likely to launch a cult.

WTF?

What do you call this site?

Jonel is our leader.

 

yah... i think we should all right in, show em our "cult" following!

 

this means bupkis... I've had 6 lowly Cavaliers. All of them have gone beyond 200,000 miles with no problems other than a $17 waterpump... and those were 'dated', 'cheap', 'chunky', 'rental wet dreams'... Bah. You can't know the beatings I've seen Cavaliers take. I wish i had video... you'd be shocked and amazed.

91 2.2L RS coupe- 201,000 miles
88 2.0L RS coupe- 160,000 miles (sold it, still running AFAIK)
84 2.0L Type 10 coupe- 210,000 miles (exploded the engine at about 7000RPM )
96 2.2L coupe- 183,000 miles (traded in- still running)
98 2.2L coupe- 205,000 miles (traded in- still running)
85 Type 10 hatchback- 177,000 miles (engine still running- car a 1x1 cube

friend's 93 Cavalier coupe- (3.1L V6/5gear): 364,000 miles on the original engine when his ex-wife traded it in for a Windstar.

Tell me why Honda is so ******* great again?
Car magazines are a joke. But you're right, Honda could build a turd, put that "H" on it and the car magazine idiots would fall all over themselves praising it up and down. Crap.


Scott

 

hummm...i see a pattern here......i believe i read that turd part before.
all i can say is i KNEW i wasnt the only one feeling this way...

 

I spotted this in the "Open Air" concept car's description:


- Enhanced Pioneer audio and navigation system with iPod adapter

Even if they don't sell the "Open Air" I certainly hope they still offer this Pioneer h/u in the future.

 

Road & Track must have some inconsistencies because they compared the Cobalt SS/SC to the 2005 Acura RSX Type S and thier comparison gave the cobalt a higher score, barely higher, but still that shows in thier opinion the Cobalt SS was up to par with the RSX which I would consider a more refined car than the Civic Si.

BTW Here's the Link www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=31&article_id=2614&page_num ber=5

 

thanks it does. But R/T usually gets lousy numbers anyhow. That Si sure is heavy.

You know the Si doesn't appear much faster then a 2.4L SS

 

I totally agree with the Si being heavy and when you look at the numbers (not trying to spec sheet drag race or anything) you are going to have to put a fair amount of work and $ just to get it upto stock SS/SC territory let alone past it.

 

plus i read somewhere, sport compact car i think, that due to the long windshield and short hood, theres serious question as to what kind of engine mods can take place do to the cramped space. woops, guess the jap engineers didnt think about mods when they designed the "ultimate civic"......

 

"What's Wrong with Mazda?"

Nothing. My 3 is a killer. I love the way it handles and its not slow by any means. It is also very easy on the eyes. I guess I had a case of dealship exitement when I write my post. I had just been doing some research on the SI.

I love my Mazda and think I owe her an apology. She's getting fresh royal purple this weekend and a sponge bath.. HHahaa

The 3 and the SS/SC look awesome together in the garage. You cant compare both cars though. One is not better than the other in my eyes, it just depends on what your doing out on the roads ....

I almost wanted to close my garage door for the winter, and make a Mazda 3 / SS/SC hybrid

Monster Garage style...

 

zoom zoom.........

yah, my friend is looking into it or the six....both are good looking cars, not sure of performance on them but, im sure they still are no match for the mighty hondas.....

 

Mazda3's have kick-ass interiors! My favorite interior of just about any car. Especially at night!

 

Wow... their 0-100 for our cars is weak... mine does it in about 14.8.... those guys can't drive apparantly.

Oh, and my SS weighed in at 2850 with a 1/4 tank of gas in it at the local weigh station... these 3000+ estimates are a joke

 

thats nice to know...i was planing on taking my ss over to the grain elevator and weighing it, but havent found the time yet.... wonder why their off on weight?