OTTP mount failure
07-18-2012, 10:39 AM
#10
The poly inserts that TTR use wear out ,on their version of the rotated mount I pioneered, and the motor moves on the center sleeve.
some of the problems I have seen can be traced to faulty installs, but thats life as well. Folks like Blazin06SS in Florida are on their V.1 mounts with no issues, and my 5 year old ones have no issues either. I believe 06blackg85ss in NY has my original ones as well.
So far, I dont see a real big issue other than the usual vendor problems well documented here. I can fix these mounts cheaply, but that would require different spacers.
My latest all steel mounts are very different to the billet ones.
07-18-2012, 10:44 AM
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I have the PRS STGII mounts from way back and they seem to be fine. (I can break even the sturdiest of **** too) Ill look into them again after a while, but PRS had always stood behind the OG mounts.
07-18-2012, 10:44 AM
#12
with respect, this mount had absoutely NOTHING to do with your trans failing. Even in its torn state, the mount will move less than a stock LSJ or LNF bushing. In my experience, most transmission failures can be traced to driving modes. Did you not have a series of engine issues? And perhaps you may have been to the drag strip , the autox or the road race track?
07-18-2012, 10:52 AM
#13
Im not blaming the mount for the trans failure, as im right around the power level to break them. The mounts I have were on the car for almost 2 years. I installed them properly too, made I drove around the block with the mounts loose to get the proper "rotation" before I torqued them.
My car has been airborne before (with area47 driving, but that's a different story)
My car has been airborne before (with area47 driving, but that's a different story)
07-18-2012, 10:58 AM
#14
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just out of curiosity, what do the PRS bushings look like? I've got some mounts i bought from OTTP a few years back and now wondering if i should leave them off the car...
07-18-2012, 11:20 AM
#16
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I was just going to have DDM throw them on the car when they put my Hyper Single in the car but i'm going to hold off until i can verify i have the good mounts vs the ones that could possibly fail
07-18-2012, 11:26 AM
#17
Lol @ eBristol. Stone throwing is a forum pastime. Fact is, ott use a very cheap insert. its what he wanted to reduce cost. I see failures with that bushing, and so I wont use them now. I have warrantied some of Otts crap, stuff I did not make, and I dont feel I should make a practice of it. The machine centers on the copied Ott program are not 100% by comparison.
The poly inserts that TTR use wear out ,on their version of the rotated mount I pioneered, and the motor moves on the center sleeve.
some of the problems I have seen can be traced to faulty installs, but thats life as well. Folks like Blazin06SS in Florida are on their V.1 mounts with no issues, and my 5 year old ones have no issues either. I believe 06blackg85ss in NY has my original ones as well.
So far, I dont see a real big issue other than the usual vendor problems well documented here. I can fix these mounts cheaply, but that would require different spacers.
My latest all steel mounts are very different to the billet ones.
The poly inserts that TTR use wear out ,on their version of the rotated mount I pioneered, and the motor moves on the center sleeve.
some of the problems I have seen can be traced to faulty installs, but thats life as well. Folks like Blazin06SS in Florida are on their V.1 mounts with no issues, and my 5 year old ones have no issues either. I believe 06blackg85ss in NY has my original ones as well.
So far, I dont see a real big issue other than the usual vendor problems well documented here. I can fix these mounts cheaply, but that would require different spacers.
My latest all steel mounts are very different to the billet ones.
07-18-2012, 11:34 AM
#18
YUP mine fucked up like that too... now every time im on/off the gas i feel the engine move and buck and make click noises doing that.. i'm pissed because i went and swapped out the bushing in it for a new one and same thing already. gonna go the powell route.. very, very soon.
07-18-2012, 11:48 AM
#20
No, but we will comment now, so thanks for the welcome!
Poly will over time, like any other material show signs of wear, but if ours do, and your the original owner, no problem! Contact us!
We won't blame our mount failure on another company. Johns "original" mounts used that bushing in photo #1. Blame it on install error, or whatever, we dont blame our customers.
ALL members need to closely look at their mounts, as the bushing in post #1, is the same "voided" bushing used in those mounts since day one. (cough) Someone is talking smoke to cover this up. Photos all over the internet show this same Control Arm Bushing insert, even back when the rotated mounts were factory mounts, re positioned bushings.
These post of this mount/voided bushing tearing is nothing new, they pop up time to time, and have for years already. (deleted by mods back in the day) What a poor choice of bushing. They fail in a control arm, why would they work as a tranny mount!
John should replace all of those sold prior to, what 2011? As he has been, and should continue. As he made them, and there were just sold through OTTP. OTTP just resently started manufacturing these, prior to that John made them.
ZZP was smart, THEY were the one that came up to use a NON VOIDED RUBBER bushing... Not John.
Poly will over time, like any other material show signs of wear, but if ours do, and your the original owner, no problem! Contact us!
We won't blame our mount failure on another company. Johns "original" mounts used that bushing in photo #1. Blame it on install error, or whatever, we dont blame our customers.
ALL members need to closely look at their mounts, as the bushing in post #1, is the same "voided" bushing used in those mounts since day one. (cough) Someone is talking smoke to cover this up. Photos all over the internet show this same Control Arm Bushing insert, even back when the rotated mounts were factory mounts, re positioned bushings.
These post of this mount/voided bushing tearing is nothing new, they pop up time to time, and have for years already. (deleted by mods back in the day) What a poor choice of bushing. They fail in a control arm, why would they work as a tranny mount!
John should replace all of those sold prior to, what 2011? As he has been, and should continue. As he made them, and there were just sold through OTTP. OTTP just resently started manufacturing these, prior to that John made them.
ZZP was smart, THEY were the one that came up to use a NON VOIDED RUBBER bushing... Not John.
07-18-2012, 11:53 AM
#23
No, but we will comment now, so thanks for the welcome!
Poly will over time, like any other material show signs of wear, but if ours do, and your the original owner, no problem! Contact us!
We won't blame our mount failure on another company. Johns "original" mounts used that bushing in photo #1. Blame it on install error, or whatever, we dont blame our customers.
ALL members need to closely look at their mounts, as the bushing in post #1, is the same "voided" bushing used in those mounts since day one. (cough) Someone is talking smoke to cover this up. Photos all over the internet show this same Control Arm Bushing insert, even back when the rotated mounts were factory mounts, re positioned bushings.
These post of this mount/voided bushing tearing is nothing new, they pop up time to time, and have for years already. (deleted by mods back in the day) What a poor choice of bushing. They fail in a control arm, why would they work as a tranny mount!
John should replace all of those sold prior to, what 2011? As he has been, and should continue. As he made them, and there were just sold through OTTP. OTTP just resently started manufacturing these, prior to that John made them.
ZZP was smart, THEY were the one that came up to use a NON VOIDED RUBBER bushing... Not John.
Poly will over time, like any other material show signs of wear, but if ours do, and your the original owner, no problem! Contact us!
We won't blame our mount failure on another company. Johns "original" mounts used that bushing in photo #1. Blame it on install error, or whatever, we dont blame our customers.
ALL members need to closely look at their mounts, as the bushing in post #1, is the same "voided" bushing used in those mounts since day one. (cough) Someone is talking smoke to cover this up. Photos all over the internet show this same Control Arm Bushing insert, even back when the rotated mounts were factory mounts, re positioned bushings.
These post of this mount/voided bushing tearing is nothing new, they pop up time to time, and have for years already. (deleted by mods back in the day) What a poor choice of bushing. They fail in a control arm, why would they work as a tranny mount!
John should replace all of those sold prior to, what 2011? As he has been, and should continue. As he made them, and there were just sold through OTTP. OTTP just resently started manufacturing these, prior to that John made them.
ZZP was smart, THEY were the one that came up to use a NON VOIDED RUBBER bushing... Not John.
NON voided bushings will fail the same way eventually of they are made cheaply. The Bilstein inserts that Ott use are for a V dub.
07-18-2012, 11:56 AM
#24
Please note Aaron WE DID NOT USE THE BUSHING IN THE PICTURE IN 2006,7,8; in did use it in 2009 for OTT. Not in 2011 and 2012. We detail in our web site the difference in class A and class B inserts.
NON voided bushings will fail the same way eventually of they are made cheaply. The Bilstein inserts that Ott use are for a V dub.
NON voided bushings will fail the same way eventually of they are made cheaply. The Bilstein inserts that Ott use are for a V dub.
So what you are stating is there are 2 diffent quality of voided bushings used?
Over all a voided bushing in rubber is not a good choice, as to why non-voided bushings are being used by 2 vendors now (ZZP and Powell)
07-18-2012, 11:58 AM
#25
OUr all steel mounts are 110 stage 1. I dont use stage 2 myself. If folks want to send their broken insert mounts to be, they pay freight both ways, I suppose I can replace the bushing free of charge, with a superior one, which will require new spacers which I can supply.
Hopefully this will not start a landslide, as this will cost me about 60 dollars to fix . The other thing is, frieght both ways will make it marginal to do for the OP. Of course, I can sell you a new bushing and you can put it in, but it still requires a different set of spacers.
Hopefully this will not start a landslide, as this will cost me about 60 dollars to fix . The other thing is, frieght both ways will make it marginal to do for the OP. Of course, I can sell you a new bushing and you can put it in, but it still requires a different set of spacers.