Our Cars have a Little Japanese in Them!
07-01-2007, 06:38 AM
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1. The Ecotec line was developed before the Camry even existed.
2. The Camry didn't get a 2.2 until its 3rd generation, by that time the Ecotec line was 20 years old and already in heavy use by GM Europe.
3. EVERY GM 4-cylinder me or my family has ever owned has been an absolute bullet-proof tank. Personally, my Cavalier had 115,000 on its 2200 DOHC and ran like new when I traded it in - I saw the guy who bought it and he said at 230,000 the tranny went and he was just starting to have engine problems. Before that I had a Buick Skyhawk with the Quad 4. It made 210,000 miles while we owned it, sold it to a friend for his son to take to college. When he was done with it the engine was over 300,000 miles with only minor issues. He ditched it because the original tranny went and he had a hard time finding parts to replace it. Now my ss/sc is my 3rd GM 4-cyl and it's on pace to have a lifespan like my previous ones. 44,000 miles and the engine is running like new. Not a single motor or tranny issue on it.
4. You deserve a Toyota. Seriously. Go by a Yaris or something. To be honest, the Japanese market as a whole fails to impress me. Sure, there's a car or two that comes out that's respectable, but on the whole I don't see anything that I want out of Japan. European market is another story, if I were to ever buy a foreign car, it'd be a European car. Which is probably why I like my Ecotec so much......since it was born and bred in EUROPE.
Ahhhh....some good old Adam pwnage...
2. The Camry didn't get a 2.2 until its 3rd generation, by that time the Ecotec line was 20 years old and already in heavy use by GM Europe.
3. EVERY GM 4-cylinder me or my family has ever owned has been an absolute bullet-proof tank. Personally, my Cavalier had 115,000 on its 2200 DOHC and ran like new when I traded it in - I saw the guy who bought it and he said at 230,000 the tranny went and he was just starting to have engine problems. Before that I had a Buick Skyhawk with the Quad 4. It made 210,000 miles while we owned it, sold it to a friend for his son to take to college. When he was done with it the engine was over 300,000 miles with only minor issues. He ditched it because the original tranny went and he had a hard time finding parts to replace it. Now my ss/sc is my 3rd GM 4-cyl and it's on pace to have a lifespan like my previous ones. 44,000 miles and the engine is running like new. Not a single motor or tranny issue on it.
4. You deserve a Toyota. Seriously. Go by a Yaris or something. To be honest, the Japanese market as a whole fails to impress me. Sure, there's a car or two that comes out that's respectable, but on the whole I don't see anything that I want out of Japan. European market is another story, if I were to ever buy a foreign car, it'd be a European car. Which is probably why I like my Ecotec so much......since it was born and bred in EUROPE.
Ahhhh....some good old Adam pwnage...
We should have kids and they will reign all of forums to proceed with super p0wnage and scaring all that give obvious misinformation. They will eat fear, crap out metal and **** out 110 Octane Fuel.
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07-01-2007, 06:40 AM
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lol. haha. honestly though...i wudn't willingly admit that I have knowledge about hyundai. sry. lmao. thats just me. and correct me if i am wrong, but didn't u state that he has a hyundai engine, yet u stated that hyundai doesn't make engines themselves. so in theory hyundai has a mitsubishi engine? i believe i'm right. lol. so technically ur burn made no sense and proved urself dumb. congrats. 
also...why wud u lease a cobalt n go on performance forum when the most u can do is a cai? lol. idk. maybe i just miss a picture(not trying to bash u) but i just don't see the point. cheers. 
also...why wud u lease a cobalt n go on performance forum when the most u can do is a cai? lol. idk. maybe i just miss a picture(not trying to bash u) but i just don't see the point. cheers.
07-01-2007, 06:46 AM
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1. The Ecotec line was developed before the Camry even existed.
2. The Camry didn't get a 2.2 until its 3rd generation, by that time the Ecotec line was 20 years old and already in heavy use by GM Europe.
3. EVERY GM 4-cylinder me or my family has ever owned has been an absolute bullet-proof tank. Personally, my Cavalier had 115,000 on its 2200 DOHC and ran like new when I traded it in - I saw the guy who bought it and he said at 230,000 the tranny went and he was just starting to have engine problems. Before that I had a Buick Skyhawk with the Quad 4. It made 210,000 miles while we owned it, sold it to a friend for his son to take to college. When he was done with it the engine was over 300,000 miles with only minor issues. He ditched it because the original tranny went and he had a hard time finding parts to replace it. Now my ss/sc is my 3rd GM 4-cyl and it's on pace to have a lifespan like my previous ones. 44,000 miles and the engine is running like new. Not a single motor or tranny issue on it.
4. You deserve a Toyota. Seriously. Go by a Yaris or something. To be honest, the Japanese market as a whole fails to impress me. Sure, there's a car or two that comes out that's respectable, but on the whole I don't see anything that I want out of Japan. European market is another story, if I were to ever buy a foreign car, it'd be a European car. Which is probably why I like my Ecotec so much......since it was born and bred in EUROPE.
Ahhhh....some good old Adam pwnage...
2. The Camry didn't get a 2.2 until its 3rd generation, by that time the Ecotec line was 20 years old and already in heavy use by GM Europe.
3. EVERY GM 4-cylinder me or my family has ever owned has been an absolute bullet-proof tank. Personally, my Cavalier had 115,000 on its 2200 DOHC and ran like new when I traded it in - I saw the guy who bought it and he said at 230,000 the tranny went and he was just starting to have engine problems. Before that I had a Buick Skyhawk with the Quad 4. It made 210,000 miles while we owned it, sold it to a friend for his son to take to college. When he was done with it the engine was over 300,000 miles with only minor issues. He ditched it because the original tranny went and he had a hard time finding parts to replace it. Now my ss/sc is my 3rd GM 4-cyl and it's on pace to have a lifespan like my previous ones. 44,000 miles and the engine is running like new. Not a single motor or tranny issue on it.
4. You deserve a Toyota. Seriously. Go by a Yaris or something. To be honest, the Japanese market as a whole fails to impress me. Sure, there's a car or two that comes out that's respectable, but on the whole I don't see anything that I want out of Japan. European market is another story, if I were to ever buy a foreign car, it'd be a European car. Which is probably why I like my Ecotec so much......since it was born and bred in EUROPE.
Ahhhh....some good old Adam pwnage...
lol. haha. honestly though...i wudn't willingly admit that I have knowledge about hyundai. sry. lmao. thats just me. and correct me if i am wrong, but didn't u state that he has a hyundai engine, yet u stated that hyundai doesn't make engines themselves. so in theory hyundai has a mitsubishi engine? i believe i'm right. lol. so technically ur burn made no sense and proved urself dumb. congrats. also...why wud u lease a cobalt n go on performance forum when the most u can do is a cai? lol. idk. maybe i just miss a picture(not trying to bash u) but i just don't see the point. cheers.
also...why wud u lease a cobalt n go on performance forum when the most u can do is a cai? lol. idk. maybe i just miss a picture(not trying to bash u) but i just don't see the point. cheers. I think you should reread the post I never said he had a HYundai engine faker
lol. haha. honestly though...i wudn't willingly admit that I have knowledge about hyundai. sry. lmao. thats just me. and correct me if i am wrong, but didn't u state that he has a hyundai engine, yet u stated that hyundai doesn't make engines themselves. so in theory hyundai has a mitsubishi engine? i believe i'm right. lol. so technically ur burn made no sense and proved urself dumb. congrats. also...why wud u lease a cobalt n go on performance forum when the most u can do is a cai? lol. idk. maybe i just miss a picture(not trying to bash u) but i just don't see the point. cheers.
also...why wud u lease a cobalt n go on performance forum when the most u can do is a cai? lol. idk. maybe i just miss a picture(not trying to bash u) but i just don't see the point. cheers. Ok Shawn owned me but your justr making an ass of yourslef making more false statements than me
You can do stage 2 full GM exhaust or aftermarket for that matter n a leased car and you will not void the warrant as long as the parts are installed by a Gm acrredited repair facility.
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07-01-2007, 06:46 AM
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lol. haha. honestly though...i wudn't willingly admit that I have knowledge about hyundai. sry. lmao. thats just me. and correct me if i am wrong, but didn't u state that he has a hyundai engine, yet u stated that hyundai doesn't make engines themselves. so in theory hyundai has a mitsubishi engine? i believe i'm right. lol. so technically ur burn made no sense and proved urself dumb. congrats. also...why wud u lease a cobalt n go on performance forum when the most u can do is a cai? lol. idk. maybe i just miss a picture(not trying to bash u) but i just don't see the point. cheers.
also...why wud u lease a cobalt n go on performance forum when the most u can do is a cai? lol. idk. maybe i just miss a picture(not trying to bash u) but i just don't see the point. cheers.
07-01-2007, 06:48 AM
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alright my bad i mis-read that. sry. u were right. lol, i didn't make a false statement, i read it so quick that i mis-took how u wrote it out. i thought i read "y r u here, blah blah, how do u feel that ur 3.8 v6 is a hyundai engine" like i said i'm sry. lol.
07-01-2007, 06:50 AM
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The Sunfire NEVER had a 2.0 motor...
That was the SunBIRD!
I win.
and who is Shawn? lol
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07-01-2007, 06:51 AM
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I'm sorry for my slight oversight, 3 hours of sleep will do that.
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I am naming you shawn for some odd reason and yes that was a typo i was refering to the ever impressive 1988 sunbird duct tape edition I used to race on my high school track
But unless that dude was talking about his 2200 4 DOHC Cavalier he is wrong enless he was talking about the ecotec which I dont think he was
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lol...this forum isn't just SS drivers. If u cud tell there are SS/SC, SS N/A, and 2.2 guys. lol. And y r u on here, if u wanna foreign car? We appreciate GM which is why we bought GM car's. What next ur gonna bash the guys who bought the Redline n G5? ass.
07-01-2007, 06:53 AM
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You want to hear about a MS3 story...So I just got back from the track tonight there was
a guy with a brand new MS3 little over 5k on it guess how fast he ran??? Oh snap..wait his
POS mazda died on him before he got it into 2nd gear!! He never got it running again its
still at the track waiting to be towed lol
a guy with a brand new MS3 little over 5k on it guess how fast he ran??? Oh snap..wait his
POS mazda died on him before he got it into 2nd gear!! He never got it running again its
still at the track waiting to be towed lol
07-01-2007, 07:01 AM
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Dude even people who own RL bash them I know they are the same car as the balt and G% but they have had many problems but I wont bash them i will leave it to the RL owners to bash there cars. All the GM engines I have bashed I have owned and can confirm the were not very good design, until the ecotec which is a great motor and that is why it is on Wards ten best
07-01-2007, 07:04 AM
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No man Mazda is Mazda FOrd just owns a portion and they have a platform sharing agreement if they owned mazda the focus would be based on the same platform, but the focus is a european platform
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lol...no i asked u y r on a Cobalt forum with a leased car, if u really can't do any performance to it. What I meant to say is why r u on a Cobalt site with a leased car. I just don't see the purpose of it. U urself said u lose retail with domestic cars, so y wud u dump more money into a car u hate so much and know absolutely dick about. And...lmao Buffalo is bad? Haha, how's ur hockey team? Hmmm, they sure made it REAL far. lol 
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Dude I love my engine and my tranny minus the clutch but since new seven month ago i have had my sunroof seal replaced twice due to annoying creaks, My heated seat module has been replaced, the paint on my dash trim has peeled off three times (they had to clearcoat the piece in the bodyshop. My clucth makes a weird popping noise in reverse, my steering wheel has the notorious knock that GM loves to deny, rattles from my rear winshield and lose seat tracks that twang over bumps. Since GM has gotten into money issues they have severly cut production cost and it is sstarting to show. You cant even compare an interior of our balt to a Mazda3 which is more comparable to the last gen 3 series interior.
I am not an import lover that has just joined to bash these cars. Here is a list of all the cars I have owned.
1988 Pontiac Sunbird
1989 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24
1990 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 (wanted a stick and the 3.1)
1991 Chevrolet Cavalier RS Wagon (my beater)
1994 Chevrolet Cavalier
I have been a loyal GM customer for years but I ma so dissapointed with there build quality and there terrible service program. Unless you get corporate invloved dealerships are not very willing to help. I have always hated hondas for the fact they are hondas. But I have come to the realization that imports are better built and have better resale, and I am obviously no the only one who thinks so as Kia is the fastes growing auto company in the world, and the three domestics have steadily decreased in profits over the past 15 yrs, I mean for GM, ford and Chrysler have all had to deal with the fact they almost went backrupt
Im pretty sure my hockey team closed you guys out in 5 just cause I live in van doesnt make them my team I grew up in Ontario and have been a sens fan since they came back into the nhl. Besides Vancouver made it to the second round and lost to the team that one the stanley cup.
The reason I leased my car is for the lower monthly. You should get informed about leases they are not much difference from a finance as you can buy the car out at any time and my interest rate is the same as finace so i am not paying anymore for a lease. Also if after four years you need a different or bigger car the lease route has more advantages Like I said in a previous response you can do exhaust intake and stage kits on a leased car without voiding the warranty. Im pretty sure there is no one on this site Canada or America that has a lower monthly than me at 296 mth canadian on a 4 yr lease with only 1900 dwn. Most I have talked to were dumb enough to pay full pop for there SC cause there salesman called it a "rare car"
You obviously now dick about your car or you would have an intake that actually does something, short rams are useless as there is no point putting more air into your engine if it is HOT.
I am not an import lover that has just joined to bash these cars. Here is a list of all the cars I have owned.
1988 Pontiac Sunbird
1989 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24
1990 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 (wanted a stick and the 3.1)
1991 Chevrolet Cavalier RS Wagon (my beater)
1994 Chevrolet Cavalier
I have been a loyal GM customer for years but I ma so dissapointed with there build quality and there terrible service program. Unless you get corporate invloved dealerships are not very willing to help. I have always hated hondas for the fact they are hondas. But I have come to the realization that imports are better built and have better resale, and I am obviously no the only one who thinks so as Kia is the fastes growing auto company in the world, and the three domestics have steadily decreased in profits over the past 15 yrs, I mean for GM, ford and Chrysler have all had to deal with the fact they almost went backrupt
lol...no i asked u y r on a Cobalt forum with a leased car, if u really can't do any performance to it. What I meant to say is why r u on a Cobalt site with a leased car. I just don't see the purpose of it. U urself said u lose retail with domestic cars, so y wud u dump more money into a car u hate so much and know absolutely dick about. And...lmao Buffalo is bad? Haha, how's ur hockey team? Hmmm, they sure made it REAL far. lol
Im pretty sure my hockey team closed you guys out in 5 just cause I live in van doesnt make them my team I grew up in Ontario and have been a sens fan since they came back into the nhl. Besides Vancouver made it to the second round and lost to the team that one the stanley cup.
The reason I leased my car is for the lower monthly. You should get informed about leases they are not much difference from a finance as you can buy the car out at any time and my interest rate is the same as finace so i am not paying anymore for a lease. Also if after four years you need a different or bigger car the lease route has more advantages Like I said in a previous response you can do exhaust intake and stage kits on a leased car without voiding the warranty. Im pretty sure there is no one on this site Canada or America that has a lower monthly than me at 296 mth canadian on a 4 yr lease with only 1900 dwn. Most I have talked to were dumb enough to pay full pop for there SC cause there salesman called it a "rare car"
lol...no i asked u y r on a Cobalt forum with a leased car, if u really can't do any performance to it. What I meant to say is why r u on a Cobalt site with a leased car. I just don't see the purpose of it. U urself said u lose retail with domestic cars, so y wud u dump more money into a car u hate so much and know absolutely dick about. And...lmao Buffalo is bad? Haha, how's ur hockey team? Hmmm, they sure made it REAL far. lol
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07-01-2007, 07:33 AM
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1988 Pontiac Sunbird
1989 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24
1990 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 (wanted a stick and the 3.1)
1991 Chevrolet Cavalier RS Wagon (my beater)
1994 Chevrolet Cavalier
I have been a loyal GM customer for years but I ma so dissapointed with there build quality and there terrible service program.
1989 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24
1990 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 (wanted a stick and the 3.1)
1991 Chevrolet Cavalier RS Wagon (my beater)
1994 Chevrolet Cavalier
I have been a loyal GM customer for years but I ma so dissapointed with there build quality and there terrible service program.
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Dude read all the industry reviews and the lemon aid guide it is no surprise that GMｄｉｄｎｔ ｈａｖｅ ｏｎｅ ｄｅｃｅｎｔ ｆｏｕｒ ｂａｎｇｅｒ ｕｎｔｉｌ ｔｈｅ ｅｃｏｔ ｅｃ
And dude I am trying to sell my balt but no one wants it even with me giving 10k off of a seven month old car wow thats amazing resale that a current year SS/SC with less than 20k on it is only worth 18,000 cdn when the sticker was 28,220. A mazda3 sport GT with a 25,000 sticker is still worth about 21,500. The reason I bought this car is the following
$28,220 sticker
$500 rebate
$550 rebate
$1000 GM loyalty bonus
$1000 Car heaven ( gave me a thousand bucks for a car I paid $600 for two yrs earlier)
$2000 discount(The salesman sold me the car at 2000 less than was on the sticker plus all the above discounts
I am asking $1800 to take over a lease pmnt of only $296 cdn including tax and no one wants it
I challenge anyone who put less than 3k down on a 48 mth lease to show me a cheaper monthly even the US guys are paying 300+ on 48 mth lease.
Yes I would take a SS/SC over a Mazda3 GS or Honda DX-G but if you were given the chance to take a MS3, or a new si, vs a SS/SC the the SS/SC only wins on price, the interior is third the resale is third, and the performance is second, the only thing the cobi wins in is looks and just barely
And dude I am trying to sell my balt but no one wants it even with me giving 10k off of a seven month old car wow thats amazing resale that a current year SS/SC with less than 20k on it is only worth 18,000 cdn when the sticker was 28,220. A mazda3 sport GT with a 25,000 sticker is still worth about 21,500. The reason I bought this car is the following
$28,220 sticker
$500 rebate
$550 rebate
$1000 GM loyalty bonus
$1000 Car heaven ( gave me a thousand bucks for a car I paid $600 for two yrs earlier)
$2000 discount(The salesman sold me the car at 2000 less than was on the sticker plus all the above discounts
I am asking $1800 to take over a lease pmnt of only $296 cdn including tax and no one wants it
I challenge anyone who put less than 3k down on a 48 mth lease to show me a cheaper monthly even the US guys are paying 300+ on 48 mth lease.
Yes I would take a SS/SC over a Mazda3 GS or Honda DX-G but if you were given the chance to take a MS3, or a new si, vs a SS/SC the the SS/SC only wins on price, the interior is third the resale is third, and the performance is second, the only thing the cobi wins in is looks and just barely
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just shut up, no one cares. that was then, n this is now. is it agreed the ecotec is good? yes. Ottawa is good. Vancouver is good. buff is alright. the end. we like our balts if u dont blow it up n collect on insurance. lol. the end.
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Dude your the one who need to shut the **** up. I mean ur the one adding the rice to your base cobalt ( neon light i mean how much ricier can you get...oh wait i hear the brand you have adds 8.77654 whp in the right conditions
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ur the one who brought up the hockey card, I wasnt saying that the sabres were **** im saying that the city of Buffalo is covered in ****
This post is alittle inaccurate read the entire form I never said I wanted a Toyota if I had the chance to do it over I would have saved the extra 5k and got the MS3, but when I'm being offered a SS/SC for less than a Mazda3 GT with only the 2.3 NA I decide to go for the extra power and speed
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