Probably 2008-09 all cars (incl Cobalt) will have mandatory stability control
09-13-2006, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by StinkBOMB
We're not animals that need to be hunted, however we do need people to pay attention to what they are doing. If you feel that we are deer or other animals I'll be glad to slap on an orange vest and visit your neighborhood.
09-13-2006, 09:57 PM
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seen something on tv about this well not exactly about the government but car makers because this lady swerved in her suv to dodge uncomming traffic and her suv rolled 12 times they were like if she had stablizing control blah blah blah her suv would have had a better chance of not crashing.
to many electronics controlling us. like auto gas shut off after a certain speed in trucks and suv's.
to many electronics controlling us. like auto gas shut off after a certain speed in trucks and suv's.
09-13-2006, 10:50 PM
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If you disable a government mandated safety feature, and later got into an accident on public roads, your future fiscal life would be in serious jeopardy....
By disabling a safety device, in an accident you would probably be found liable for a lot of bad ****. Juries don't understand most things...but they would hear you disabled a safety device that saves lives...probably they would claim its so you could spin out and drift....
Its akin to a guy that gets a gun, and modifies the safety, or puts on a lighter trigger...and if something "happens"...the other side blames the modifications...and the person who did them.
The same thing CAN happen if someone found out you put aftermarket performance parts on your car, though to a far lesser extent...
By disabling a safety device, in an accident you would probably be found liable for a lot of bad ****. Juries don't understand most things...but they would hear you disabled a safety device that saves lives...probably they would claim its so you could spin out and drift....
Its akin to a guy that gets a gun, and modifies the safety, or puts on a lighter trigger...and if something "happens"...the other side blames the modifications...and the person who did them.
The same thing CAN happen if someone found out you put aftermarket performance parts on your car, though to a far lesser extent...
09-13-2006, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by halfj99
"Estimates that it would save potentially 10K lives a year."
do we really need more people on the road
do we really need more people on the road
No we don't cuz that means more people will live longer and their will only be more old people on the road blocking the left lane.
09-13-2006, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by xl1200r
Maybe you should re-explain this to me then...
comˇmuˇnism (kmy-nzm)
1. A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
2. Communism:
- A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
- The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat.
I see a whole bunch of stuff in there about collectve ownership and the government controlling the economy...nothing about controlling products or the market.
comˇmuˇnism (kmy-nzm)
1. A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
2. Communism:
- A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
- The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat.
I see a whole bunch of stuff in there about collectve ownership and the government controlling the economy...nothing about controlling products or the market.
09-13-2006, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Cobalt_Supercharged
Ok bad example. How about darwinism. Survival of the fitest. Or would your rather have all the morons live and over populate and drain us of Social Security and Wellfare. Not to mention over run the country and have to limit the number of children you can have like China.
09-14-2006, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by StinkBOMB
Social Security is a sham and wellfare is a sham. It shouldn't even be there. You can thank the socialists for those two. Taking money from you and giving it to the collective whole is guess what, socialism. It totally removes individual accountability and survival of the fittest. Cornerstones of a healthy Republic. If you think survival of the fittest is in effect take a look at the world around you, there's an aweful lot of people on wellfare for only the fittest to survive.
Don't get me wrong, there are some that are on SS or Wellfare because of a bad turn of luck. This is only temporary for them as they get back on their feet. Just like the way the system was designed to work. Unfortunately most (NOT ALL) on SS and Wellfare are on them for their lack of will and/or planning. These are also typically the morons that have no regard for thier own safety as well as others'. (actually there are also quite a few "rich" morons that feel there money gives them the ability to survive and get away with anything/everything)
Another problem is the age for SS benefits has not changed since it was first introduced. It was originally set at an age 2-5 years below the average expected life span. Now it's about 25-30 years before the average age of death putting a huge drain on it.
Wow that really got off topic. Oh well that the end of my rant.
09-14-2006, 12:03 AM
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ok social studies aside I think a few of you are not looking at this in the right perspective. Does it slow your performance ride down? sure it does but that only means that the performance car can be that much faster and powerful because it has the features needed to keep it on the road ... you have to slow down a bit when you come to a turn anyway so why rant about it so much if the computer can make a few decissions based on data to keep the car in the optimal line and speed for the turn?
SUV's built on truck chasis are horrible vehicles for people that dont know how to drive them properly or do not have the interest in being an excellent driver but made a personal choice to purchase the vehicle to suit them for whatever needs they have. Soccer moms drive these things a lot cus they have families and some families go camping and other people have their reasons as well which put them into the car they have rather than buying a minivan with little to no towing power or a car which cant do what they need. Saving those people would be worth it no? This applies to many other vehicles as well but because of their ability to easily turn over suv's are often used as an example for this argument.
This is a forum of people who for the most part modify their cars. If you don't like something ... disable it, get around it somehow. Why rant about it saying uh oh the government is trying to control us. Look at the seat belt, airbags even and the newer side impact air bags, all wheel drive vehicles with computers that distribute power to keep the driver safe while also increasing performance and why be upset about traction control? there are vehicles that run faster because of that little feature simply because their engines are so powerful they need it. In the future much of what we and our children use is going to be run by computer but many of you are thinking days of going fast or having competitions are over but I see advancements in performance so complex that it increases the modification community, increases competition popularity to levels we can't even think of because we are stuck thinking that the man is trying to bring us down to the point of no free will because they want to save lives by slapping on an electronic device that can save those that die needlessly every day.
SUV's built on truck chasis are horrible vehicles for people that dont know how to drive them properly or do not have the interest in being an excellent driver but made a personal choice to purchase the vehicle to suit them for whatever needs they have. Soccer moms drive these things a lot cus they have families and some families go camping and other people have their reasons as well which put them into the car they have rather than buying a minivan with little to no towing power or a car which cant do what they need. Saving those people would be worth it no? This applies to many other vehicles as well but because of their ability to easily turn over suv's are often used as an example for this argument.
This is a forum of people who for the most part modify their cars. If you don't like something ... disable it, get around it somehow. Why rant about it saying uh oh the government is trying to control us. Look at the seat belt, airbags even and the newer side impact air bags, all wheel drive vehicles with computers that distribute power to keep the driver safe while also increasing performance and why be upset about traction control? there are vehicles that run faster because of that little feature simply because their engines are so powerful they need it. In the future much of what we and our children use is going to be run by computer but many of you are thinking days of going fast or having competitions are over but I see advancements in performance so complex that it increases the modification community, increases competition popularity to levels we can't even think of because we are stuck thinking that the man is trying to bring us down to the point of no free will because they want to save lives by slapping on an electronic device that can save those that die needlessly every day.
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