celicacobalt

How do you use this intake? Why do you use it that way? Just wondering, im using mine as a short ram becasue i like the way they sound and i heard it gives better gains for some reason, maybe the engine heat isnt making close enough to the filter or something.

cobaltss12

Haha... hmm... Ill be the first to post then... lol...

Your mistaken about Short RAM Intake giving you better gains. Cold Air is the way to go. Why? Because cold air is more dense than hot air. Results giving you more oxygen rich air. The denser the air, the better the combustion is and better the gain is.

The sound: I have never really noticed a difference. With my JBP Vortex CAI... the sound is utter amazing. My friend has a Injen CAI for the SS/SC, but my JBP Vortex for my SS/SC is so much louder and the gains are better too.

Just FYI.

Lata.

celicacobalt

well, i know all that makes sense, but why have i heard these members here saying that the short ram is better? and also doesnt the longer tube make it harder for the engine to suck it in, do you think maybe its a trade off? also can the short ram injen be switched to cold air very easy or does the fender or headlight need to come out?

wikkymaster

mine is short ram, because seriously, whats 1 hp? 1 hp isnt worth the effort to even put the cold air extension on, plus this tim eof year its freezing out anyways

celicacobalt

is that all it is? is 1 hp?

cobaltss12

No its not... Short RAM takes in HOT air... the oxygen isnt as dense, and in turn, causes a smaller combustion and less power. Like I esplained in the earlier post, CAI is the way to go. I got a 13 HP gain with the JBP Vortex CAI! Short RAM, you might get 7 or 8HP gain. Its worth it in the long run. With CAI, like I stated, the oxygen is denser, making a bigger combustion, better engine performance, and surprsingly, a little better fuel economy.

1HP is what you get with Weapon R CAI going to a "Pep Boys" brand Short RAM! Haha. Ask any "real" performance shop... CAI is the way to go for our kind of cars. Get up into the trucks, big Dodge RAM Hemi's, Ford Lightings, vehicles similar... then you go with Short RAM. The truck is higher off the ground, and the dense air is more easily routed into the engine bay, making the Short RAM more efficient. Plus, you dont have to worry about better fuel economy, trucks get shitty "FE" anyways.

Is that a giid explanation?

Xenozx

Nah theres more then 1 HP difference from short ram to CAI.

I didnt know there was a short ram for the SS/SC....

celicacobalt

this is for the 2.2/2.4's im not sure about the 2.0 though. and thats a cool explanation then although ill keep it short ram for the winter and cold air for the summer, also how hard is it to change between the 2?

cobaltss12

Just a nut and a bolt!!

Haha, I give anyone PROPS if you get what I mean!!

celicacobalt

does that mean you have to take the fenderwell off again? i wasnt sure if it could just be put on with out taking any of that off

celicacobalt

yep, hit it and split it if thats what you mean lol

RaineMan

I'm using the Short Ram right now.... I plan to switch to CAI for the summer when it's not so wet here.

cobaltss12

Yup, your right!! Hehe. And yea... if it rains alot where you live, Oregon, Washington, up north... then wait till summer.

97cavie24ls

actually the wai make better use of the pipe length being shorter , which is why they make close to or the same gain as a cai

the extra pipe length and bends related with it actual hurt air flow

also when air is moving it is self cooling

on my cav my wai intake temps read near 200 degrees , and it ran 16.1-16.3's , when i did a cai , my temps droped about 70 degrees , and i still ran in the same range in the 1/4 mile

this was with 90-110 degree temps out side , and even still i only managed a best of a 16.0 with the cooler temps , all that was before i added the supercharger to it

fifasf

What the hell is this JPB vortex? Also I would agree that CAI is better but I would be curious to hear the difference in sound if there is any. I would imagine that you would be able to hear the air getting sucked in more since the filter is right there but the whine is probably the same either way. Right?????

stlurbanpunk

I would go with short and not have to worry when it rains and crap. I heard it doesnt get all that hot under the hood when your crusing anyways, because the air is flowing under and around the engine bay.

fifasf

Dude if you look at the engine, You can see the ground , also if you want to get that alluminum air scoop people are talking about that will help too.

cobaltss12

JBP is short for J-Body Performance. Heres the link if you wanna check them out:

http://www.jbodyperformance.com/new/newIndex.php

The JBP Vortex is a CAI that literally spins the air before it hits the Supercharger blades, giving the air better dispersment when it hits the Supercharger blades. This cuases the air to move at a high rate and better force into the engine.

They claim NO CEL with this CAI. I would have to agree. It has not given me a CEL since I have had it.

Cold Air is BETTER. Regardless of what you think. Whats better for your engine, cold air or hot air? I would hope you would say cold air. The denser the air is, the more oxygen rish it is, which in turn helps combustion and more power to be displaced.

The "whine" from my JBP Vortex is awesome. When we, you, first messed around with the air box mod, taking the bottom cover off the air box... it sounded good. Well, imagine what NO FILTER would sound like. Just straight sucking in of the air. It sounds totally bad ass!!

When I figure out how to post videos, Ill post one. I just bought a 1400$ DVD-Cam, so it takes great vids and awesome sound quality.

CAI IS BETTER!!!

doom26464

cai isn't always the way to go. Go read up on some civic forums where there is millions of cai and short ram intakes for them. The short ram has better throtle responses as there is less tube for the air to travel. And it can be accessed to your engine much faster. There are some cases where short ram air has more power increase over CAI. Also Short ram air is good for low end power(usually from about idel to 4,000 or 5,000 rpm depending on car). CAI is better for high end power (usually from 4,000 rpm to redline once again depending on car). Hope that helps u guys

importkiller

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If i am not mistaken the JBP intake will only fit supercharged cobalts.

TxLonghorn#1

has there been a check engine light that came on with your intake? Did you have to do a reflash?

RiCeEaTeR05SS

i didnt know people expected to lose time off the 1/4mile w/ just an intake
shorter pipe, closer to engine, means warmer air, but at the same time, the air is moving so fast it.s not gonna be that bad, especially if you have a hood w/ heat extracting capabilities, and a heat sheild

chipsgt

I personally experienced better gains with the SRI set up as opposed to the CAI set up.

I drove with each for two weeks respectivley, and found that the SRI set up had better throttle response, and more over all power.

The CAI set up did better over 5000 RPM's, but as far as over all gains, the SRI took first.

Try it for your self. It is kind of a pain to switch between the two, but it only takes about a half hour with the right tools.

Personally, I have to go with SRI.

As it was put to me from a shop around here, and a reputable one at that, the air travels so quickly through the intake, that the CAI is not going to make that much of a differance. On some cars it does, but with an intake like ours, with that sharp of a bend in the piping, its gonna be pretty close as to which is better.

celicacobalt

so maybe keep it a short ram with a heat shield then?

chipsgt

I would definately try them both and make your descion then! Besides, you will have to take out the wheel well to remove the rest of the stock intake system anyway!