trent_ky

i have stage 2 and intake that is it...i had transmission failure and they voided the warranty because they said since i have performance parts i must use the car for racing...its such bull ****. If they would take care of the problems like they should i wouldnt care a bit then it would be a great car but this abuse flag and voiding warranty bullshit totally turned me against gm and i dont know if i can bring myself to buy another one!

CobaltSScrazy

i'd rather be boosted than blown. GO TURBO!
CobaltSScrazy

cakeeater

HAHAHHAHA WOW!

"first off i said r35 because there is a big difference between a infiniti g35 and a nissan skyline gtr 35 and if u have been to san diego and to fusions on a tuesday night u can see about 7-8..i would call that common for one place and thats just that night..then being in the navy there are about 4 more on my base..so yea common i would say compaired to 8-9 years ago..

oh and as for numbers this is why i would want a R35 my friend
Infiniti G35 280 HP @ 6,200 rpm; 270 ft lb @ 4,800 rpm
Nissan GTR35 473 HP @ 6,200 rpm; 434 ft lb @ 4,800 rpm

i lived in sasebo japan for 4 years and I seen 1...thats right in japan I seen 1 GTR and it was owned by an american...
but i'll forgive u for trying"


i hope you realize past tense /= present tense. You said you see them....and i said they don't exist. So how did you prove me wrong? Oh yea you didn't because they don't.

TheCaptain

I'm a fan of a "whine" over the turbo "sneeze" (unless of course the turbo bov is routed back into itself, but that doesn't change my answer either.)
Linear power > lagged power (even variable geometry turbos have lag, just minute amounts)

thedub784

TC all the way!

DSMissed

x2. Anyone that votes supercharger over a turbo probably hasn't owned or truely driven one.

I'm actually kinda pissed about the turbo cobalt, cause its going to be twice the car the supercharged one is....and so much easier to make it go twice as fast.

LopsidedJester

Supercharged rules, I hate boost spikes!!

cakeeater

x2. Everyone that says "whew an extra 30hp thats not that great!" doesn't realize this car is still gonna walk ALL OVER the stock lsj's probably even walk stage 2's a bit.

JMH

When I boosted my old Miata, I could have gone either way. I went with a blower because it produced more low-end torque, was cheaper and easier to install, but you still cant beat a TC for outright horsepower in the higher rev range.
The fact that turbos can be less than robust and very pricy to replace, was also a consideration.
I'm sure things have changed somewhat concerning their "heat issues".

Raven SS

lol ur a funny guy it took u all the time to put that together and u still look stupid..u said there are no gtr skylines in america and i said actually there are and stated the company that did the testing yadayadayada and said gtr's are common in san diego but i cant vouch for the r35 being imported maybe i should have made the and bigger for u when i decided to go in another direction towards ur other stupid comments...then u went on to say why would u import a r35 when its already here and i proved u wrong on that that the g35 and the r35 are not the same then u said they dont exsit and then i proved u wrong again and even gave u prices(in yen..that japanese incase u dont know) and the colors they come in, but ur still not happy...qoute post me all u want but that fact of the matter is there are skyline gtr's everywhere in america and they are getting common and the r35 is true which are both statements that u decided "hey ima be a jackass and look stupid" about and butt heads with me..

Archie

I don't know if I can vote fairly.

I have only actually driven (on the street) one supercharged car, a cobalt ss/sc, and one turbo'd car, base VW EOS. As you would assume, the EOS is a pig. I know my little 2.2L could take one. But I have to say, that thing does spool pretty quick.

From just one car each, I can't vote. So until I get my 2008.5 SS balt this coming summer, I will have to withhold my vote.

kawasakizx6rr

import lovers= turbo. domestics muscle= supercharger

if only gm didnt listen to all the import lovers kids and twinscrew the cobalt instead.....
plus i love that the cobalt was original and kicking ass with the sc it was like a compact muscle car, now its like every honda,mitsu,subaru,vw,etc,etc anyway if you do the same setup on the suspension and brakes and race the sc vs the tc on the track both with the same hp, the supercharged one would leave the turbo behind since we dont have that damn turbo lag!!
the cobalt ss is a domestic car and it should feel like one in my opinion thats why im keeping my ss/sc and "screw" the turbos.

NJHK

Evidentally you've never been inside of a LNF powered vehicle with it's turbo setup...there is NO lag. There was a graph posted on here, as soon as it hits 2000 RPMs, it holds 260 lbs of torque straight to redline while building horsepower still.

And for the love of god, not every turbo setup has lag. Some of you supercharged guys need to get over yourselves with that same old line.

SuperchargedSS

Lmao... even if I was stock I could see myself getting bent over the counter from the dealership on something like that. After all "THEY" know it all.... They like you as long as nothing goes wrong with the car.

The TC is not enough to convince me to stay with a Balt. I like my SC for what it is now. Where I live and drive, it'll smoke about 80% of the cars I drive by on the way home. A TC wouldn't pull me by those other faster 20% (Camaro's, Vettes, BMW Turbo's etc). The TC wont give me my "Return of Investment" so **** it. As far as a trade up I like the Maro. However, My dealership can't give me solid details on the Camaro except "You'll most likely be on a waiting list".... I told them that dealing with their service dept has got me used to that so it may not be that big of a deal"

firemanfrank

• Did the dealer install the St. 2?
• Was it actually the after market intake that voided the warranty?
• Did they notice other mitigating factors which indicated the car was "raced" such as: reported premature clutch wear, low mileage tires that were already shot, etc.?

Sounds like we're missing some info on what happened here ...

Stock LSJ to be sure, but not a St. 2 if the reported 14.1 sec. 1/4 mile time holds true.

In that case, a St. 2 LSJ vs. LNF will be a wash (actually, the St. 2 might even take the LNF by a few ticks).

SuperchargedSS

If my dealer installs stage 2, they will not cover my warranty and I am on my own. They have a statement from GM corporate stating they dont have to honor f-all if they bolt that on. I read it, its legit.. As far as the clutch, they stated ,mine is A+ but any issues wont be covered either as the entire tranny is deemed a "Wearable part" and also it was not designed for the almighty mods of intake and catback so even further pushing me into the "Not covered" zone... Not agreeing with any of this, thats just the assheads they are.

In any regards this is a TC thread, so if you want a tc get one, if you don't, well , dont
And yes there will be SC's walking away from TC's and vise versa.

firemanfrank

Can happen to any car. Really ...

Yes, a car company might market one of their vehicles as a "performance car" that THEY engineered to make it such.

Not one which OTHER people have engineered.

Same goes if someone mods a Z06, Shelby GT 500, WRX Sti, etc.

This is incorrect. I asked my dealer and he said just the opposite.

This runs against every single thing that has been reported about St. 2 on this forum. Something doesn't add up.

A Powertrain Warranty is exactly that. It covers the engine AND transmission.

And there you go.

"Intake", "catback" ... the dealer is seeing more than just their installed St. 2. I mean minimal hp gains or not, those mods are the reason they voided your warranty.

Think of it this way, if YOU manufactured and SOLD a certain car, and then people added mods that YOU did not test/certify - and then something broke on that car ....

Would you want to cough up the money for repairs?

NOPE. And that's why when I said that I'm eventually going to just St. 2, I actually meant "just St. 2".

cakeeater

actually i said they are very uncommon AND stated the reasons why they are uncommon. And like i said the R35 DOES NOT EXIST. it is stil la concept car, there is NO PRODUCTION MODEL. I doubt you have ever even touched a gtr. There are very few in the states, and like i said before (if you could read you would see this) most of the gtr's stateside are r32's.

lets take a look at what i have said and what you have said-

Me:

-GT-R's are very uncommon in the states (fact)
-There is NO gtr-35, there are only two in existance as of now and are both for testing, and they are NOT called gtr-35's just the nissan gtr. (facts)
-The majority of gtr's in the states are r32's (fact. and why would you say i said there are none if i CLEARLY -said the majority of them are r32's)

all true.

You:

-you see multiple gtr-35's (blatant lie, they dont exist yet)
-Gtr's are common in the states (compared to what the veyron? they are very uncommon)

I doubt you even know the difference between a gt-r and a gt-s. You have lost all of your credability from my point of view especially because you are saying that i have said things i obviously have not (i.e. there are no gtr's in usa...i never said anything of the sort, i said they are uncommon and most are r32's, which would imply that there ARE some here.)

LE5CAV

The New Turbo Is Nice But Im Not Goinna Thade In My Sc, But I Will Be Snagging Those Brembos, Hot Damn!!

SuperchargedSS

Fireman, just telling you like it is. The Cobalt interior is cheap and it chips, squeaks, and falls apart. My original dealer swears they do not cover warranty after "Just" stage 2. PM me and I will send you the contact info if you dont believe me. Take half of what you read here regarding this debate at face value. I am not saying ALL dealerships are like this, just the one I bought the car from. They have gone to corporate to cover their asses here. I know this cause I called BS on them and they shoved this right back in my face. Their exact words "Don't believe everything you read on the net, its up to us, not the people in the forums"....

I can switch dealerships. Keep in mind the dealership shop manager saw my AEM licence plate frame and mentioned to me that the AEM was a GM certified part and will not void my warranty.. He said "Good choice, I am not worried about the AEM, we certify it and its very non intrusive (meaning the stock intake is still pretty much in tact). I then kinda joked around and related to the reality that all intakes are just tubes with filters doesnt "really" matter who makes em... He didnt laugh.

Then one day shortly after this , a shop monkey comes out of the back and burps out that I better get that AEM off.... The shop manager then renags, and turns into a mod ****. Its the inability for them to set proper expectations is what is annoying. If they set the expectation that I can put a filter and exhaust on the car and get no grief for it, then they should stick to it. If they would have told me all this up front I would not be debating this, as I would be at fault. And most likely, walked on the sale, which is why they told me I could.

Also, you can order a balt from the dealership with a Corsa Sport already on it. So how can they say its not covered? I brought this up with them and they sat their with a real dumb look on their face. Were talking about an air filter and an exhaust....Mild by any means, youre just letting the car breathe.

And my Mazda dealership is fine with the same mods on my 3... so don't say every dealership is like this. My buddy's WRX gets nothing but compliments at his dealership and he has a turbo back.. :P

Its important I state that I dont believe all dealerships to be like this, I only have experienced this with one, so far.

trent_ky

Yes the intake is the excuse that they used would you like to see the work order? When the dealer returned the car (unrepaired) to me i noticed it leaking transmission fluid also and it was NOT doing this before i took it to the dealer which leads me to beleive that someone in the service department was horsing around in my car. This area service rep is also the one who refused to warranty the paint chipping on my wheels and my brake rotors

And to your next "theory" no my clutch has always been fine...never has slipped and very little wear to this day (35000 miles). i have been through two sets of tires and just got new ones...so 2 sets of tires in 33000 miles...not out of the ordinary for this type of tire and i always replace before they are fully worn anyways

if you want any more info you will have to look up threads that i have started or posted in i am not retyping the book

kawasakizx6rr

i know this one doesnt have that much lag, but its a little turbo! thats why..and for the love of god! i like superchargers,like i said you are probably into the import crowd, and "evidentally" you have never been in a supercharged powered vehicle....there is NO lag.

TVS_SS

You guys do realize that america is the only market that LIKES turbo lag....

japanese and european companys try to stay away from it.. but think that the "silly americans" are crazy for how much lag they deem acceptable.

Most people on here dont have enough information to judge effectively so i will not post any arguments.. its like arguing with a kid who wants candy.. no matter what you say they wont listen..

But hey if lag is what you want... they will definately sell it to you...

intense_SS

snail for me!

ColeJJones

i will choose the instant power of a supercharger over the turbo. but the turbo lag and quick shot of boost when it hits is pretty cool!