2.0 TurboSystem: How would YOU want it?
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2.0 TurboSystem: How would YOU want it?
Ladies and gentlemen:
We are in the final stages of determining pricing and equipment packages for our about-to-be-released LSJ 2.0 TurboSystems. We'd like your input on how to offer them.
We'll offer much more detailed information with prices, specs and pics in the actual product release, but first...we'd like to know how you, the enthusiasts, would like to see the system levels and separate components configured.
While complete packages will be our ultimate goal, we well realize that there will be demand for separate components, as well as different level packages. Not everyone will want, or need, injectors or a calibration. Others won't need a turbo or manifold, but may want our intercooler and StreetRace Intake, and others still may want...well, you get the picture.
As the LSJ Community is full of resourceful folks doing a lot of their own things, and tuning capability is also widespread, we feel it warrants a different approach than what we've done in the past with our other TurboSystems. Here's how I'd like to present the information:
Component Group Breakdown
I've listed the major component groups here, and assigned a number to each. Each group would include related hardware (fasteners, gaskets).
There will also be the optional aspects of PortFueler and GT35R Turbo, but let's concentrate on the essentials first.
The question: Of the above component groups, how many should we offer separately, and why?
Modular System Levels
We'd like to offer some system packages too, where you folks can benefit from purchasing multiple component groups as systems. The benefits will be:
Here's some initial suggestions for Modular System Levels:
Level I:
Level II:
Level III:
Level IV:
Level V:
So, we could consolidate and do fewer levels...I don't see doing any more than five, however...any combinations desired outside of these Level offerings would just be separate component groups, priced separately.
So dig in, boys and gals...tell me what YOU want to see!
We are in the final stages of determining pricing and equipment packages for our about-to-be-released LSJ 2.0 TurboSystems. We'd like your input on how to offer them.
We'll offer much more detailed information with prices, specs and pics in the actual product release, but first...we'd like to know how you, the enthusiasts, would like to see the system levels and separate components configured.
While complete packages will be our ultimate goal, we well realize that there will be demand for separate components, as well as different level packages. Not everyone will want, or need, injectors or a calibration. Others won't need a turbo or manifold, but may want our intercooler and StreetRace Intake, and others still may want...well, you get the picture.
As the LSJ Community is full of resourceful folks doing a lot of their own things, and tuning capability is also widespread, we feel it warrants a different approach than what we've done in the past with our other TurboSystems. Here's how I'd like to present the information:
Component Group Breakdown
I've listed the major component groups here, and assigned a number to each. Each group would include related hardware (fasteners, gaskets).
- Turbocharger
- Turbo Manifold
- Street Race Intake Manifold
- Front-Mount Intercooler
- Turbo exhaust outlet housing and downpipe
- Air intake system and air filter
- Charge air piping and hoses
- Blow-off valve system
- Turbo oil line system
- Injectors/harness/PCM calibration
There will also be the optional aspects of PortFueler and GT35R Turbo, but let's concentrate on the essentials first.
The question: Of the above component groups, how many should we offer separately, and why?
Modular System Levels
We'd like to offer some system packages too, where you folks can benefit from purchasing multiple component groups as systems. The benefits will be:
- Cost: Combining component groups will reduce cost as compared to purchasing separate groups.
- Compatibility: As the component groups are designed to mesh perfectly wth one another, the more groups you get, the less effort you'll have to expend to 'pull it all together', right on up to the complete system solution including ALL groups.
Here's some initial suggestions for Modular System Levels:
Level I:
- Turbocharger
- Turbo Manifold
- Turbo oil line system
Level II:
- Turbocharger
- Turbo Manifold
- Turbo oil line system
- Turbo exhaust outlet housing and downpipe
- Air intake system and air filter
Level III:
- Turbocharger
- Turbo Manifold
- Turbo oil line system
- Turbo exhaust outlet housing and downpipe
- Air intake system and air filter
- Front-Mount Intercooler
- Charge air piping and hoses
- Blow-off valve system
Level IV:
- Turbocharger
- Turbo Manifold
- Turbo oil line system
- Turbo exhaust outlet housing and downpipe
- Air intake system and air filter
- Front-Mount Intercooler
- Charge air piping and hoses
- Blow-off valve system
- Street Race Intake Manifold
Level V:
- Turbocharger
- Turbo Manifold
- Turbo oil line system
- Turbo exhaust outlet housing and downpipe
- Air intake system and air filter
- Front-Mount Intercooler
- Charge air piping and hoses
- Blow-off valve system
- Street Race Intake Manifold
- Injectors/harness/PCM calibration
So, we could consolidate and do fewer levels...I don't see doing any more than five, however...any combinations desired outside of these Level offerings would just be separate component groups, priced separately.
So dig in, boys and gals...tell me what YOU want to see!
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level IV.. im just excited for anymof them to come out though.. and not the first or second one.. if its a turbo u need the blow off-valve..... Is there a price range for these yet?
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i think yall got the groups pretty much set, just kinda be more specific of what will be needed that is not in each level to support that specific level. when will these be up for sale and what are the prices going to range from?
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The final packages (and pricing) will be determined from what we learn in this thread...I just did not want to presume I had it all nailed, then go to market with configurations that didn't suit the needs, necessitating immediate revisions. This way, we sell what YOU all want!
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I'm old school
I'd love to do this Bill. And the reality gets closer every day. Have you seen the work that Vince at Trifecta is doing with the L61 ECM's?
My vote is for the full system. All or nothing.
My vote is for the full system. All or nothing.
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I could really see a variation of Level II coming to think of it. This would be perfect for my desires.
Turbo
Turbo manifold
Turbo oil line system
Turbo exhaust outlet housing
MAF Bung (stainless or regular steel)
Are the Super 20G's internally gated or external by the way? Just curious.
Turbo
Turbo manifold
Turbo oil line system
Turbo exhaust outlet housing
MAF Bung (stainless or regular steel)
Are the Super 20G's internally gated or external by the way? Just curious.
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Due to engine compartment layout differences vs. the 2.0, the 2.2/2.4 owners do face some additional effort to work with this setup. We can address this in greater detail once the 2.0 release is complete.
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I could really see a variation of Level II coming to think of it. This would be perfect for my desires.
Turbo
Turbo manifold
Turbo oil line system
Turbo exhaust outlet housing
MAF Bung (stainless or regular steel)
Are the Super 20G's internally gated or external by the way? Just curious.
Turbo
Turbo manifold
Turbo oil line system
Turbo exhaust outlet housing
MAF Bung (stainless or regular steel)
Are the Super 20G's internally gated or external by the way? Just curious.
We have no immediate plans to offer the MAF mounting flanges...but if the market dictates, we may! An interesting request.
Super 20G is internally wastegated for OEM durability and outstanding affordability. We've used this internal wastegate system on everything from low nine-seond FWD cars to eight-second streetbikes...with stellar success!
- Supercharger
- Intake manifold w/integral intercooler
- Intercooler core, pump, hoses
- Belt drive system complete
Plus, you gain the following additional advantages:
- Lighter weight (all that stuff is HEAVY!)
- Superior airflow and cylinder-to-cylinder distribution (the stock intake setup sufffers badly in this aspect)
- Easier underhood servicing (there's SO much more room with that big chunk removed from the front of the engine!)
- Ability to employ PortFueler for mega-high HP combined with good street manners and predictable, consistent tuning
- Outstanding underhood presence (sure, the stock SC looks good, but our manifold is a bit of TIG-welded CNC-billet artwork!)
- Better radiator performance, cooler operation (removing the stock IC core really enhances radiator airflow, even improving AC efficiency!)
Last edited by Hahn RaceCraft; 04-15-2008 at 11:01 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost