I'll get these when the GB comes out... not going to the track until Spring anyway.

oh and THEY BETTER ******* WORK!

 

yeah it is, when it's parked lol

 

And when you can't get traction in any gear but 5th

 

is that the equal lentgh mani

 

for those wanting more info to back these before purchasing, i'd recommend looking at pg 66 of the build book, figure 173.

 

That page of the book and the diagram only show SOLID mounts made by Roush Industries for the "Cobalt Phase 5" car...

It discusses nothing of using a modified stock mount..

It DOES however state that tilting the engine forward will help better align the axles on a LOWERED vehicle...

 

that it is man....

 

can u notice the diffrence

 

exactly my point, the mounts sold by ott, do exactly that without all the vibes of a solid mount............

 

...Except they're bolting the engine to the frame, so they're effectively doing both, like I said...

The key thing is - both products have pros and cons.
Using the tilt kit aligns the axles but costs quite a bit more and leaves the driver with a sloppy shift.
Poly mounts will vibrate the cabin and don't solve the axle tilt but keep the engine/transmission from shuddering as much, resulting in a cleaner shift and less engine movement.

GM did both - by bolting the engine and transmission to the frame they tilt the engine forward and also keep the engine/transmission rock steady.

There will be hop with both products as neither of these products solves all the causes on its own. For maximum performance you would need the tilt kit WITH poly transmission mounts, and then you'll need to solve the issue of your engine still rocking since the weak ass stock motor mount does nothing to impede it, and people have stated it will not work with TTR's top mount. You can tilt the engine all you want but with the stock mounts in there it will rock back!

I would love to test this theory - I am interested in buying just the modified 04 front mount and spacer with no bushing. (I couldn't even tell - do I need a new rear mount with the spacer or not?) PM me with the price you can do me for on that.

 

The stage 3 limits movement alot, thats why theres some vibes with it. The first stage also cuts down on the engines movement, alot more then you would think. You will always need the spacer under the rear mount and for now this will only be sold as a kit with the bushing installed. I will list them on the site when they are available, about 2 weeks.

 

Well if you ever offer this with just the bushings and spacer, I will be interested.

Also no one answered my question from above: is the stg3 just both mounts together? If that is the case you said the TC owners would only need the stg 1 correct?

 

So is it true that the shifts get sloppier with stage 1?

 

only if you consider stock sloppy... but I would assume there would still be an improvement over the stock mounts vs stage 1.

 

Well, stock is sloppy. If it's worse, than thats just ****.

 

I'm thinking about getting the stage 2 kit...for right now...I dont really need the stage 3 yet, but would like to upgrade when I have that kind of power in the future. But I was curious...will you ever offer an upgrade from stage 2 to 3??? Kinda like stage 1 price but opposite mount...if that makes sense... Just curious.....if not...I guess stage 3 will be my only choice.

The funny thing is my shifts dont feel that sloppy...but I would assume they would stay the same or improve slightly....just not anywhere near as crisp that polys would give you.

 

yes it's true roush did bolt it straight to the frame without and sort of softening compound, i don't think i could live with a DD like that myself.

i have the stage 3 kit installed, and my shifts aren't sloppy to say the least. the stage 3 limits the movement considerably. but at the same time i don't have half the vibes i did with the poli mounts. another thing about the poli mounts is after a while the bushing in the center becomes loose and this will later lead to the motor and tranny moving side to side a bit, i had this problem myself. when i took off the poli mounts the spacer was even loose, and the tranny mounts were resting against the section they bolt to. this will in time lead to a lot of grinding noises on accel and decel. and i can't even imagine the possible damage it did to the hub bearings and seals.

 

Any form of limitation will cause vibs, so either you have vibs or you have slop... Dont fool yourself.

 

go back and reread what i wrote, more specifically the line i wrote just after the text of mine you made red.

 

So you are getting vibs? So there is no benifit then? Seems like there are no advantages, higher price and vibs???? Harsh or not, vibs are vibs...

 

You are taking things out of context and leaving other things out. Everything is not black and white. Get your head on straight because it's pointless to argue w/ someone who doesn't know any better.

1) There are vibes > 2) The vibes are not as great as poly mounts > 3) More effective at preventing wheel hop and less harsh

Simple logic. Connect the dots, if you will...

 

thanks man

 

ill take a lil vibes over broken expensive drivetrain parts any day

 

Got it thanks!

So by paying 8 times as much as poly ($50 for prothane I saw), you get about half the vibs...


I am not sure if I care that much about a few vibs for 8 times the price.

 

Wow, your ignorance knows no bounds.

Once again, to try and win an e-argument, you left out important facts to "sound" right. Don't quit your day job bud...