selfinfliction

mine could go from 0-140 as fast as you can shift through the gears... at least that's what the speedo said

in actuality i think it was moving about 17mph

Sonicyeller

Ummmm... I just read the whole thread talking about "the Camaro gets out of the hole so much better than Cobalt, blah, blah..." And then he posts his best 60ft ever is a 2.0 at a track and usually 2.1 - 2.2...

I'd tell you to come up to altitude and play, but that would give me an unfair advantage...

2009 Cobalt SS/TC GM Stage 1 + Bolt Ons 1/4 Mile Bandimere - YouTube

Versus 2 LS1 cars on drag radials, on the street:

Cobalt SS Turbo Vs Cammed LS1 Camaro SS Vs Bolt On Z28 - YouTube

Round 2 - Cobalt SS Turbo Vs Cammed LS1 Camaro SS Vs Bolt On Z28 - YouTube

Yeah... don't mind the 400whp 4th gen F-body that only pulled about a car on me from 20-115.

08inBama

the Mustang almost stalled coming off the damn tree, lol... and you got ripped out the hole on the street... your point? lol

CordiaDOHC

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Congrats man. Id ask you to race but its probably a small distance to drive plus is probably just end up spinning half the race and end up tying you lol.

Chase0224

and this is why my camaro sits in the garage and is never drove....

LE5_AJ

Those are some pretty good races but... the 600lb weight difference isn't much when theres about 110 hp difference but you have video proof so anything i say is irrelevant. I love white 4 door sstc's yours looks good and you can drive that car well.

08inBama

yeah and his 0-110 against that SAME 400whp f-body would have been 3+ cars, lol

I haven't argued racing from a roll, but have yet to find a drag strip that lets ricers race from a roll, though knowing them, one probably does exist, lol

Sonicyeller

Watch the 2nd video I posted... the 400rwhp SS in the car that loses 1 race and wins 1 race. He only gets me by about 2 cars in the race he wins.

And the reason I even posted the vids was to show you that if the car is driven right the difference between a 2.0 60ft and a 2.2 60ft is pretty negliable. A good driver can pull a 2.2 60ft or even a 2.1 60ft out of a Cobalt SS/TC on street tires. So your comment about your Camaro SS getting out of the hole so much better really isn't true -- maybe in your case because you couldn't get your Cobalt out of the hole as well as you can the Camaro -- but not true for every Cobalt.

And just for reference, the Z28 with the stall and DRs usually cuts about a 1.8 60ft at the track. Dunno about the cammed SS, I don't think he's ever been to the track.

08inBama

^ then he has some shabby DRs.... my brother is cutting consistent 1.7s on his stall DR LS1 TA

he actually has one 1.68 with it

a half a second by 60' is about 2-3 cars... good luck running down a 400whp car when you start a bus length behind, lol

Stamina

So about everybody saying FWD sucks...

Cobalt SS/TC vs Corvette - YouTube

CordiaDOHC

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That video is still considered to be pretty low levels of horsepower though.

Sonicyeller

You have to make alot of power at high altitude to get your 60' down. If the Z28 cutting 1.8 60ft times could drive down to sea level, he'd probably be cutting 1.7s or better too.

Think of it this way... imagine your car... now imagine it with ~25% less horsepower. Yeah, that's what 6000ft above sea level does.

Stamina

If you're talking stock Z06 power levels and above, I wouldn't think that would be Cobalt territory anyway by price range and stock hp alone.

Most AWD setups can't take power at or above those levels anyway, and most people that have AWD can't drive them to their potential due to lack of skill or possibilty of mechanical failures. In the "normal" (we'll just say sub-450hp) car realm, once the cars start moving, the FWD car has the continuous advantage, and there's no risking the tail coming out like on RWD either.

This video still has a 400/430hp mid-$50k-ish, RWD Corvette that a sub-$20k, FWD Cobalt is beating from a dig. The whole thing about slicks or track times is completely moot if you're talking realistic driving encounters or whatever-wheel-drive versus FWD. You can paper race like that all day long and it wouldn't mean a thing in "real life".

Case in point: On paper, that Corvette should've creamed that Cobalt.

Stamina

...and by the way. Don't get me wrong. RWD and AWD have their specialty purposes and strong points. I just feel we need to hit the reality reset button here on the hype of AWD and RWD.

08inBama

yeah and all of their strong points include DRAG RACING, lol

I'm sure you can all find a video of a Cobalt or any other FWD vehicle hanging with a badly driven car off the the tree... just like I can find multiple videos of tuned Cobalts running high 13s or worse, lol... don't blame the car, blame the drivers

i'll just leave it at, myself and the Bama crew are known to make frequent stops to Steele(Alabama International) which is even a 1/4 mile.... you all are more than welcome to come show me how to get a car off the tree

Stamina

Yeah, agreed. The driver is a huge part of it.

It's too bad Alabama wasn't less of a drive or I'd be interested. Maybe you can have somebody film it and throw the vid up on here. lol

MTE

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Jon dint we smoked a suparcharged camaro coming back from moroso that night? lol

2008 cobalt ss/tc vs 2010 camaro ss - YouTube
Camaro SS L99 vs Cobalt SS LSJ Turbo 60 roll! - YouTube

Seem's we Cobalts can run in the 12's too without upgrading the Turbo.

BartSS

08inBama

...but I can run 12.50s with 3 real mods, lol

you give me headers, mids, and a tune with some decent tires(not even talking DRs) and 12.50s is happening(probably faster)... and with a stall? on DRs it'd have a chance at 11s

with just mids and headers you're talking about 50whp, not to mention the transmission tune alone is good for 4-5 1/10ths... i'll probably run 12.70-12.80s TUNE ONLY



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkJo_A4E5sI

stock transmission, stock stall, stock engine(no internals), and its an automatic... 11 seconds, enough said, give that car a stall, its running 11.60s-11.70s.. some guys boast about 2.0-2.1 60s, some cars cut 1.6s with a stock transmission and stall

BUT, BUT only 5.0 Mustang GTs can run mid 11s with bolt-ons!




this is where I point out that everyone talks about how much "slower' the L99 automatic Camaro is to the LS3 stock for stock, but then proceeds to shut the hell up mod for mod, lol... once the L99 gets tuned, you better be f*cking John Force, lol

people wonder why I bought the automatic, this isn't my 1st rodeo with an automatic SBC, and history has given us a spoiler on the gen 5 Camaros:

mod for mod: 4L60E Ls1 f-body>T-56 F-body; 4L65E LS2 GT0>t-56 GTO, and L99 6L80E Camaro>TR6060 LS3 Camaro

its all fun and games until you get with a tuner that can make your automatic transmission do work, then with the addiction of a higher stall and some sticky tires, its just a thrashing... you'll honestly be taking a stalled,drag radial, bolt-on(pretty much the basic bolt-ons, headers, and a tune) f-body or GTO and will be having to run the Cammed manual cars for it to be a decent race, a bolt-on car isn't even fun anymore

Dart_SI

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if you threw slicks (and a driver mod) at most bolt on ss/tc. they would be low 12 second cars with the aggressive tuned ones touching high 11's (already been done twice)

08inBama

oh ****, 2 of them! with one of them being a hacked up shop car(ZZP)... they also did that STOCK turbo, and full bolt-on and on 15 inch SLICKS...


more 5th gens in Alabama have hit 11s with bolt-ons than the entire Cobalt nation, which is at 2, lol... and I bet neither was anywhere close to stock weight

look, I loved the Cobalt for what it was, but pitting it in a DRAG RACING war with a 5th gen Camaro or ANY Small block Chevy powered car.. lol

good luck with that guys, honestly... its a matter of, we have more full interior cars running mid-10s, then the Cobalt guys have running mid 12s

when you start talking shop cars, it becomes the majority of ours run mid-9s and the Cobalts run mid-11s.

sure SOME Cobalts break from the norm, Ryan's Cobalt for example... but one Cobalt doesn't mean a whole lot, considering has anyone else got within an SECOND of his times?

the Camaro shop cars are hoping to break 8s on the stock block, they don't bust a nut running 9.9999999999


and once again, even with this war, its fun talking bolt-on for bolt-on, now watch this: $350 cam, $400 worth of valve springs, retainers, etc.... and some tuning... still want to line one of these Cobalts up? suddenly we aren't talking hoping for 11s, we're talking mid 11s or better... and STILL on the stock head... with heads? you're in the 10s... no blower or other forms of F.I. needed

you guys can go out invest in a $4000 turbo and on the highway? give us hell... on the drag strip? pray your $4000 investment actually gets you in the 11s, oh, the trap speeds will be there, but they don't mean dick if you run 12.15 @ 122mph, lol

MTE

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But But, we invest $4000 on a car that's already paid off or cost under $25k new.......How much did your Camaro cost ya? Lets not mention that by only pressing a Button we can do 30 MPG........o yea yea and Automatic? gotta be kidding me!! lol, you wont C my tail lights on a 40 roll. I love the Camaro, especially the new Z71 coming out.

DerekDTP!

Granted a new camaro is like what.. 30k I paid 16 for my SS ... maybe 1000 in mods...

cranemaster

Im a fan of trap speeds anyhow. Its basically how you compare the two vehicles if traction wasn't an issue..

My friends evo does 12.40 @ 108... I did 14.00 @ 108 this summer.


14.00 @ 108MPH FWD GMS1/Downpipe (terrible at launching)
12.40 @ 108MPH AWD AFAIK just a tune


The ONLY time he will make me look bad is at a drag strip. And il take that, because im not at drag strips very often lol.

So the other %99 of my driving I can hang with as supposedly 400HP Evo 8 in my Cobalt.... Hes car costed him $45,000+ and had to be imported from the states as they were never sold here in Canada.

I think the reason cobalt owners get so defensive and snarly is they are constantly contending with cars worth twice as much money as them, that have more money in mods spent on them.

The cobalt is impressive for what it is. Amazing MPG daily driver that can go like a son of a bitch.

Area47

***** still weak.

before you say something stupid. the truck is still faster. the 4th gen ss is a lot faster.

have fun getting your 6l80e warrantied when the tune trashes it.

350 for a cam? no
you're forgetting certain things lil guy.

if you get rid of the afm/dod you have to change the valley cover, and 8 new lifters. thats if you stay under 575 lift. if you go over that you need new lifters. all 16. not just 8.
if you ditch the vvt cam, you need a new front cover, cam gear, gaskets and other misc stuff.

headers, long tunes run 600+. good ones are over 1k.
these mods will run low 12's. not mid 11's.

heads, fast intake, gear change. mid to low 11's with a stall and tire. not 10's. so if you're going to preach bullshit about your l99 motor to people who might not have a clue about them. make sure you post the correct ****.