Car died after acceleration
#1
Car died after acceleration
So ,i was getting on to the high way at about 70 in 3rd gear i lean in to it for shiggles. it felt like I hit the rev limiter,but instead of the normal bouncing i get one bounce and my tach rpm fall to zero, but the car is still running , mph is working, if i step on the gas the car pulls, no check engine light ,car seems to run fine , other than no tach.I turn off and restart the car from a roll and all hell broke loose, the car started to back fire like madd and i lost all power , still no check engine light or message. i pull off to the side of the road ,pop the hood and look for any sings of catastrophic failure, no water in the oil or vice versa, no oil out the tail pipe.
so i try and restart the car ...and it starts right up, tach works , everything works fine , no blue smoke or anything. so at this point I'm baffled,seems like something electrical and dealing with the timing. Its like my car had a senor moment and forget were at last left off or the ecm tried to divide by zero lol.
Anyone have any idea what might cause something like this? mods are in my sig , im on a gmpp stage 2 tune.
so i try and restart the car ...and it starts right up, tach works , everything works fine , no blue smoke or anything. so at this point I'm baffled,seems like something electrical and dealing with the timing. Its like my car had a senor moment and forget were at last left off or the ecm tried to divide by zero lol.
Anyone have any idea what might cause something like this? mods are in my sig , im on a gmpp stage 2 tune.
#2
I sir would think that is what we call blow by. Where your boost/ fuel don't let your plugs ignite causing th jerk and bad acceleration r u tuned. Could also be dfco. Something that needs to be turned off for tuning purposes
#3
I'll have to go get some codes pulled during my lunch break. i have a check engine light , but its on all due to my lack of cat and rear o2 , but it was my understanding that the check engine light would flash for anything other than emissions related issues.
#4
Correct but not correct. If your car fell on it's face because of accelerating and u had a blow by incident more then Lilly you'll get a po300 code multiple misfire an or a single misfire code. If it flashes that means ure cat is gonna get fucked meaning your misfire per revolution per seconds or minutes is happeneing. Ure car can get misfires but u r only able to have so many as stated. If ure car has too many misfires the cel will flash letting u know not to drive the car. Another thing that could have happened was you could have got a maf fail error or code if your Hertz were exeeded, same thing could happen keep me updated if u want pm me
Last edited by Chevycobaltss3; 04-21-2010 at 11:12 AM. Reason: iPhone grammar
#5
had the codes pulled and only cods i had were in relation to the rear o2 not being present lol.
iv done some searches on the forum and found a few cases that sound alot like mine, all ended up being ether the crankshaft position sensor or the camshaft position sensor
iv done some searches on the forum and found a few cases that sound alot like mine, all ended up being ether the crankshaft position sensor or the camshaft position sensor
#7
I had that happen once as well - I dropped to third, started easing into it and then the car started sputtering like crazy. Shut it down, let it sit a few minutes and it worked fine ever since.
Cobaltss3 sounds like he's on the right track - probably just a random misfire situation. I'd check the plug gaps and clean your maf (I had weird sputtering issues after I cleaned/oiled my intake, cleaning the maf fixed that for good)
Cobaltss3 sounds like he's on the right track - probably just a random misfire situation. I'd check the plug gaps and clean your maf (I had weird sputtering issues after I cleaned/oiled my intake, cleaning the maf fixed that for good)
#8
Lsj common issues with a tuned car actually with lower pulleys and ect are blow by and the maf frequency. Failure. I still get blow by because of my gap but it burns better at .035 I dunno tho cuz if it were a crank or cam you would either have a misfire cod and a code for the faulty sensor because when in closed loop your cars computer runs all it's tests.
#9
I'll check the plugs when i get home, they were changed about 2-3k miles ago , ngk one step colder with a .035 gap. and i'll check the maf.
this is what makes me think ckp or cmp
this is what makes me think ckp or cmp
not always i work for gm i worked on an hhr with the same problem that was off time. it doesnt always give driving issues .sometimes it can even make the car run better but there will always be the check engine light
it also is completely possible that if you overheated it that you could have possibly did damage to the camshaft im pretty sure there is a bulletin out for it
DTC P0017
Diagnostic Instructions
Perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle prior to using this diagnostic procedure.
Review Strategy Based Diagnosis for an overview of the diagnostic approach.
Diagnostic Procedure Instructions provides an overview of each diagnostic category.
DTC Descriptor
DTC P0017: Crankshaft Position (CKP) - Exhaust Camshaft Position (CMP) Correlation
Circuit/System Description
The powertrain control module (PCM) uses the crankshaft position (CKP) sensor and the camshaft position (CMP) sensor information to monitor the correlation between the crankshaft and camshaft positions.
Conditions for Running the DTC
DTCs P0335, P0336, P0340, P0341 are not set.
The engine is cranking or running.
DTC P0017 runs continuously when the above conditions are met.
Conditions for Setting the DTC
The PCM detects that the timing between the crankshaft and the camshaft is incorrect.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
The control module stores the DTC information into memory when the diagnostic runs and fails.
The malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) will not illuminate.
The control module records the operating conditions at the time the diagnostic fails. The control module stores this information in the Failure Records.
The driver information center, if equipped, may display a message.
Conditions for Clearing the DTC
A current DTC Last Test Failed clears when the diagnostic runs and passes.
A history DTC clears after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles, if no failures are reported by this or any other non-emission related diagnostic.
Clear the DTC with a scan tool.
Diagnostic Aids
Inspect the engine for any recent mechanical repairs. An incorrectly installed camshaft position sensor, crankshaft, camshaft, or timing chain can cause this DTC to set.
An incorrectly built exhaust camshaft can cause this DTC to set.
Reference Information
Schematic Reference
Engine Controls Schematics
Connector End View Reference
Engine Controls Connector End Views
Powertrain Control Module Connector End Views
Electrical Information Reference
Circuit Testing
Connector Repairs
Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections
Wiring Repairs
Scan Tool Reference
Scan Tool Data List
Scan Tool Data Definitions
Circuit/System Verification
Observe the DTC Information with a scan tool.
⇒ If the scan tool displays that any other DTCs also failed this ignition, refer to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List - Vehicle .
⇒ If only DTC P0017 is displayed, continue with Circuit/System Testing.
Circuit/System Testing
1. With the ignition OFF, inspect the crankshaft balancer bolt for the proper torque. Refer to Fastener Tightening Specifications .
⇒ If the crankshaft balancer bolt is not at the proper torque, refer to Crankshaft Balancer Replacement .
2. Inspect for incorrect installation of the CMP sensor. Refer to Camshaft Position Sensor Replacement .
3. Inspect the engine for correct valve timing. Refer to Camshaft Timing Chain, Sprocket, and Tensioner Replacement .
it also is completely possible that if you overheated it that you could have possibly did damage to the camshaft im pretty sure there is a bulletin out for it
DTC P0017
Diagnostic Instructions
Perform the Diagnostic System Check - Vehicle prior to using this diagnostic procedure.
Review Strategy Based Diagnosis for an overview of the diagnostic approach.
Diagnostic Procedure Instructions provides an overview of each diagnostic category.
DTC Descriptor
DTC P0017: Crankshaft Position (CKP) - Exhaust Camshaft Position (CMP) Correlation
Circuit/System Description
The powertrain control module (PCM) uses the crankshaft position (CKP) sensor and the camshaft position (CMP) sensor information to monitor the correlation between the crankshaft and camshaft positions.
Conditions for Running the DTC
DTCs P0335, P0336, P0340, P0341 are not set.
The engine is cranking or running.
DTC P0017 runs continuously when the above conditions are met.
Conditions for Setting the DTC
The PCM detects that the timing between the crankshaft and the camshaft is incorrect.
Action Taken When the DTC Sets
The control module stores the DTC information into memory when the diagnostic runs and fails.
The malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) will not illuminate.
The control module records the operating conditions at the time the diagnostic fails. The control module stores this information in the Failure Records.
The driver information center, if equipped, may display a message.
Conditions for Clearing the DTC
A current DTC Last Test Failed clears when the diagnostic runs and passes.
A history DTC clears after 40 consecutive warm-up cycles, if no failures are reported by this or any other non-emission related diagnostic.
Clear the DTC with a scan tool.
Diagnostic Aids
Inspect the engine for any recent mechanical repairs. An incorrectly installed camshaft position sensor, crankshaft, camshaft, or timing chain can cause this DTC to set.
An incorrectly built exhaust camshaft can cause this DTC to set.
Reference Information
Schematic Reference
Engine Controls Schematics
Connector End View Reference
Engine Controls Connector End Views
Powertrain Control Module Connector End Views
Electrical Information Reference
Circuit Testing
Connector Repairs
Testing for Intermittent Conditions and Poor Connections
Wiring Repairs
Scan Tool Reference
Scan Tool Data List
Scan Tool Data Definitions
Circuit/System Verification
Observe the DTC Information with a scan tool.
⇒ If the scan tool displays that any other DTCs also failed this ignition, refer to Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) List - Vehicle .
⇒ If only DTC P0017 is displayed, continue with Circuit/System Testing.
Circuit/System Testing
1. With the ignition OFF, inspect the crankshaft balancer bolt for the proper torque. Refer to Fastener Tightening Specifications .
⇒ If the crankshaft balancer bolt is not at the proper torque, refer to Crankshaft Balancer Replacement .
2. Inspect for incorrect installation of the CMP sensor. Refer to Camshaft Position Sensor Replacement .
3. Inspect the engine for correct valve timing. Refer to Camshaft Timing Chain, Sprocket, and Tensioner Replacement .
#10
so it happened again, this time i got a engine power reduced. and a p068 code. (maf,map,tps correlation) i pulled the maf and tb and they were both filtyh ,cleaned them both and we'll see what happens next
Last edited by phatnackySS; 05-10-2010 at 10:09 AM.
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