Failed Inspection for Inner Tie-Rod?
10-03-2011, 12:02 PM
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i will never take my car to a pep boys again. there have been investigations done where a test car was taken in for oil changes and such and the drain plug and filter marked and no work was done...no oil change...no filter change...and were charged for it. then pep boys employees started saying that they have quotas set by district managers that they have to meet and they wouldn't have time to do all the work so they have to cheat people. can't remember if this was local or nation wide...but it was on the news a year ago or so
fuuucccckkkk pep boys!!!!
fuuucccckkkk pep boys!!!!
10-03-2011, 12:36 PM
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Not exactly... I have done this several times when my inner tierod tool couldn't get it done.
I am a certified tech, I have been to hunter alignment school, and I am an inspector.
To properly check the tierods, there is a specific amount of maximum play the the joint can have and it depends on the vehicle. You can use a dial indicator that is used for the play, but most guys have gotten a feel for how much is not enough and how much is too much.
I have to say, that pepboys place should have had you shake the side that was loose, then take you to the tight side and shake it. Then have someone shake the loose side while he had you put your hand on the inner tierod and have you feel it also.
Please get an alignment soon after you do the tierod
And I would not replace both sides, unless there is play on both sides. But since you got both ordered, might as well do it.
I am a certified tech, I have been to hunter alignment school, and I am an inspector.
To properly check the tierods, there is a specific amount of maximum play the the joint can have and it depends on the vehicle. You can use a dial indicator that is used for the play, but most guys have gotten a feel for how much is not enough and how much is too much.
I have to say, that pepboys place should have had you shake the side that was loose, then take you to the tight side and shake it. Then have someone shake the loose side while he had you put your hand on the inner tierod and have you feel it also.
Please get an alignment soon after you do the tierod
And I would not replace both sides, unless there is play on both sides. But since you got both ordered, might as well do it.
10-03-2011, 01:01 PM
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i agree with the pepboy mechanic on here that even i'm a little tired of people saying they are tired of the markup on parts supplied by shops. they are paid what they are paid and charge what they charge. if you don't want to pay that much for parts you can go and buy your own parts and supply them so then you are only paying for labour. its the same if anyone comes to any one elses company your going to be paying more because someone else is bringing in the parts and installing them.
and tie rods shouldn't have any play in them but thats my opinion on that and the way i was taught at the GM dealer i worked at. and i personally do hate when people fix their own cars, thats great that you are willing to fix your own car and are capable of doing it but as the other guy said don't come to a persons work and gloat that you fixed it for half the price. they are just there making a living.
now granted alot of smaller shops do try to rip you off in one way or another, where the bigger shops have such a higher volume of customers that its not in their best interest to try and scam you, they recommened repairs if you accept they will do them, if you decline they move onto the next vehicle.
and tie rods shouldn't have any play in them but thats my opinion on that and the way i was taught at the GM dealer i worked at. and i personally do hate when people fix their own cars, thats great that you are willing to fix your own car and are capable of doing it but as the other guy said don't come to a persons work and gloat that you fixed it for half the price. they are just there making a living.
now granted alot of smaller shops do try to rip you off in one way or another, where the bigger shops have such a higher volume of customers that its not in their best interest to try and scam you, they recommened repairs if you accept they will do them, if you decline they move onto the next vehicle.
10-03-2011, 04:19 PM
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Not exactly... I have done this several times when my inner tierod tool couldn't get it done.
I am a certified tech, I have been to hunter alignment school, and I am an inspector.
To properly check the tierods, there is a specific amount of maximum play the the joint can have and it depends on the vehicle. You can use a dial indicator that is used for the play, but most guys have gotten a feel for how much is not enough and how much is too much.
I have to say, that pepboys place should have had you shake the side that was loose, then take you to the tight side and shake it. Then have someone shake the loose side while he had you put your hand on the inner tierod and have you feel it also.
Please get an alignment soon after you do the tierod
And I would not replace both sides, unless there is play on both sides. But since you got both ordered, might as well do it.
I am a certified tech, I have been to hunter alignment school, and I am an inspector.
To properly check the tierods, there is a specific amount of maximum play the the joint can have and it depends on the vehicle. You can use a dial indicator that is used for the play, but most guys have gotten a feel for how much is not enough and how much is too much.
I have to say, that pepboys place should have had you shake the side that was loose, then take you to the tight side and shake it. Then have someone shake the loose side while he had you put your hand on the inner tierod and have you feel it also.
Please get an alignment soon after you do the tierod
And I would not replace both sides, unless there is play on both sides. But since you got both ordered, might as well do it.
What kind of inspector are you?
You fail, hard.
10-03-2011, 04:36 PM
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I have my degree in automotive
I have both my state safety and emissions
I have several ASEs
And I am currently going to an advanced electrical diagnostic school...
Oh and to OP, The inner tierod should come with some red loctite, I would HIGHLY recommend that you use it.
I have both my state safety and emissions
I have several ASEs
And I am currently going to an advanced electrical diagnostic school...
Oh and to OP, The inner tierod should come with some red loctite, I would HIGHLY recommend that you use it.
10-03-2011, 04:43 PM
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And dont bother justifying yourself to him,he claims to be a tech which he himself claims is better than a mechanic but........
Never offers any advice to a poster and just flames everybody elses post with a smart ass remark.
Help we need self-rightiousness we can do without.
See for youself
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10-03-2011, 04:48 PM
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Great to hear,can always use more knowledge on the site.
And dont bother justifying yourself to him,he claims to be a tech which he himself claims is better than a mechanic but........
Never offers any advice to a poster and just flames everybody elses post with a smart ass remark.
Help we need self-rightiousness we can do without.
See for youself
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/sear...archid=4399661
And dont bother justifying yourself to him,he claims to be a tech which he himself claims is better than a mechanic but........
Never offers any advice to a poster and just flames everybody elses post with a smart ass remark.
Help we need self-rightiousness we can do without.
See for youself
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/sear...archid=4399661
10-03-2011, 05:55 PM
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We can all Learn from each other and do without the flaming which just ruins the site for people looking for answers.
10-03-2011, 06:02 PM
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ya i spent 6 years at a chevy dealership and got fed up with them not signing me up for my apprenticeship so i said **** it and now do repairs and upgrades for friends on the side. i'm always willing to learn new things too 
but i do agree, there are alot of places that will try and screw their clients by recommending work that isn't needed to be done. those are the tech's that give the good ones a bad name
but i do agree, there are alot of places that will try and screw their clients by recommending work that isn't needed to be done. those are the tech's that give the good ones a bad name
10-03-2011, 07:24 PM
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After seeing how coblasts and a few other regulars were posting solutions that were severely uneducated guesses, I decided to post the actual fixes based on real experience, and none of which are related to my own car.
Seriously though, some of the stuff you say coblasts, its rediculous.
As for this thread, I gave my answer earlier and apparently you backyard mechanics use barbi tool sets and sledge hammers to repair your vehicles.
10-03-2011, 07:27 PM
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yes guitarenvy you did post the correct info to check for a loose inner tie rod but then you went and started bashing everyone and saying they failed hard.
10-03-2011, 07:49 PM
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A pep boys mechanic uses a pipe wrench to change a tie rod? Thats quite funny.
Plus, the OPs answers to him a page ago was pretty good too.
I will refrain from any further bashing in this thread and a few select others.
Plus, the OPs answers to him a page ago was pretty good too.
I will refrain from any further bashing in this thread and a few select others.
10-03-2011, 07:58 PM
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we don't have pepboys up here. and i've personally seen some really stupid apprentices that shouldn't be anywhere near a car. i prefer to do things the right way and if i don't know how to do it i sure as hell will find out how. but thats just how i am
10-03-2011, 10:11 PM
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The only reason was on here is for cobalt aftermarket parts info.
After seeing how coblasts and a few other regulars were posting solutions that were severely uneducated guesses, I decided to post the actual fixes based on real experience, and none of which are related to my own car.
Seriously though, some of the stuff you say coblasts, its rediculous.
As for this thread, I gave my answer earlier and apparently you backyard mechanics use barbi tool sets and sledge hammers to repair your vehicles.
After seeing how coblasts and a few other regulars were posting solutions that were severely uneducated guesses, I decided to post the actual fixes based on real experience, and none of which are related to my own car.
Seriously though, some of the stuff you say coblasts, its rediculous.
As for this thread, I gave my answer earlier and apparently you backyard mechanics use barbi tool sets and sledge hammers to repair your vehicles.
Sure and then not have the client charged for the time spent on it when it didnt solve the problem.
There all kind of posts on here about dealerships changing things out and not solving the problem!
Most guys are lucky it under warranty but not everyone.
We all dont have money for expensive tools or can afford the rates the dealerships charge
and alot of times its cheaper to throw parts at it on a guess ,rather than pay someone else to do the same.
10-03-2011, 11:56 PM
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Whats wrong with using a pipe wrench to change a inner tie rod? The OP is a ******* loser POS moron. He has something against people who work on cars for a living which is disturbing. You want to buy me an inner tie rod removal kit for 200 bucks when a pipe wrench does the same thing?
10-03-2011, 11:59 PM
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Whats wrong with using a pipe wrench to change a inner tie rod? The OP is a ******* loser POS moron. He has something against people who work on cars for a living which is disturbing. You want to buy me an inner tie rod removal kit for 200 bucks when a pipe wrench does the same thing?
10-04-2011, 12:01 AM
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Great to hear,can always use more knowledge on the site.
And dont bother justifying yourself to him,he claims to be a tech which he himself claims is better than a mechanic but........
Never offers any advice to a poster and just flames everybody elses post with a smart ass remark.
Help we need self-rightiousness we can do without.
See for youself
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/sear...archid=4399661
And dont bother justifying yourself to him,he claims to be a tech which he himself claims is better than a mechanic but........
Never offers any advice to a poster and just flames everybody elses post with a smart ass remark.
Help we need self-rightiousness we can do without.
See for youself
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/sear...archid=4399661
10-04-2011, 12:05 AM
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Also someone mentioned red lock tite on the threads of the inner tie rod? I hope your joking. If your going to use it, you use the blue one, the red one is for permanent locking and sealing of a fastener.
10-04-2011, 12:07 AM
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there's lots of little tricks of the trade that experienced techs have used. i don't recommend those tricks to people just starting to work on their vehicles as it can potentially damage other things.
10-04-2011, 12:47 AM
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I have my degree in automotive
I have both my state safety and emissions
I have several ASEs
And I am currently going to an advanced electrical diagnostic school...
Oh and to OP, The inner tierod should come with some red loctite, I would HIGHLY recommend that you use it.
I have both my state safety and emissions
I have several ASEs
And I am currently going to an advanced electrical diagnostic school...
Oh and to OP, The inner tierod should come with some red loctite, I would HIGHLY recommend that you use it.
Edit: After reading through this I see Phil finally decided he would post something useful. Now if he would have done that from the begining I wouldn't have had to pick him apart in a previous post.
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10-04-2011, 12:55 AM
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Whats wrong with using a pipe wrench to change a inner tie rod? The OP is a ******* loser POS moron. He has something against people who work on cars for a living which is disturbing. You want to buy me an inner tie rod removal kit for 200 bucks when a pipe wrench does the same thing?
10-04-2011, 01:17 AM
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LMAO Another Pepboys mechanic that uses a pipe wrench for an inner tie-rod... seems to be a common thing among you guys. While I may not be an auto mechanic, the Navy's avation structural mechanics school I went through taught me to use the right tool for the job, thus eliminating the need to go back and do rework when you screw something up using the wrong tools.
10-04-2011, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil424 - Ok I'm going to vent. I'm tired of seeing threads bashing mechanics. I myself am a tech at pepboys. We get customers like you all the time who come, get there car inspected, then get mad thinking that we are ripping them off and talk **** as we throw you out the door.
Go play with your pipe wrench...
Last edited by SuperchargedSS; 10-04-2011 at 08:24 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost