Running rich, poor idle, negative fuel trims smoke please help
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Running rich, poor idle, negative fuel trims smoke please help
So I've had my lsj with the tvs 1320 for about eight months now. I've had a new timing kit installed and some new valve/seals as well about a month ago.
The car has always had crappy idle and purged blue/black smoke and a p0300 that I attributed to the mods/tune for a while. I've got new acdelco platinum plugs, cleaned the throttle body, had the timing kit work done and nothing has changed. mods are as follows. . .
TVS 1320
Typhoon Intake
80's
Wiseco pistons (noticed when head was off) confirmed by previous owner from Delaware
hahn header/catted dp and flowmaster exhaust
CMD AFR is 15.20 when warm/12.50 when cold
Fuel Trims bounce from -7 to 9 throughout driving range. around -1.5 to 4 at idle
WOT is great. 20 psi.
Idle to 55 is bogging and slooooooow
How do I fix these fuel trims if they are causing my problem? I know little about tuning please help
Thanks
The car has always had crappy idle and purged blue/black smoke and a p0300 that I attributed to the mods/tune for a while. I've got new acdelco platinum plugs, cleaned the throttle body, had the timing kit work done and nothing has changed. mods are as follows. . .
TVS 1320
Typhoon Intake
80's
Wiseco pistons (noticed when head was off) confirmed by previous owner from Delaware
hahn header/catted dp and flowmaster exhaust
CMD AFR is 15.20 when warm/12.50 when cold
Fuel Trims bounce from -7 to 9 throughout driving range. around -1.5 to 4 at idle
WOT is great. 20 psi.
Idle to 55 is bogging and slooooooow
How do I fix these fuel trims if they are causing my problem? I know little about tuning please help
Thanks
Last edited by SSilverSS; 12-12-2014 at 12:01 PM.
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Won't have the gauge to do a comp test til next week. Just had a compression and leak down performed after my head work in october
Noticed exhaust smell and light buzzing/ticking from the header gasket maybe or the downpipe
Would this cause my trims to go negative?
Noticed exhaust smell and light buzzing/ticking from the header gasket maybe or the downpipe
Would this cause my trims to go negative?
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Tried covering tip with glove to find the leak. . . It's ticking pretty loud by the downpipe and smoking really bad now I notice
Can't pinpoint it though
Shouldn't I be throwing a code if the leak was causing my rich mixture?
Can't pinpoint it though
Shouldn't I be throwing a code if the leak was causing my rich mixture?
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Exhaust shop says tiny crack in header. . . .
Guess its time to go zzp catless header/ dp
No noise with clutch in however? only when accelerating. not revving
Guess its time to go zzp catless header/ dp
No noise with clutch in however? only when accelerating. not revving
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If your WOT afr is spot on, look to your narrowband sensor as the problem, could be sticky/slow, or just completely shot. Part throttle fuel trims rely on the narrowband readings to keep the car running smoothly, WOT does not, runs in open loop at WOT. So whatever your tune is set for thats what you will get. Crack in the header, bad, yes, but unless its a hole, you will rarely notice it. When the metal expands from heat typically the crack will tighten up to a point where it will actually seal up. Was the car tuned properly?
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Awesome, thanks. .. .now I have somewhere to start really when I take it apart this weekend. I haven't had the car tuned yet.
Was told it was tuned for tvs and 2.8 and then tweaked for the stock tvs pulley which is on it now
But im assuming the tweaking done wasn't perfect ahem
Plan is to get this problem fixed then snow performance meth kit and a tune by National Speed in Wilmington NC.
But It's to the point where it purges a cloud of black soot when I take off in 1st.
Nasty smelling stuff that burns your eyes
Noob question. . . what is a good afr at wot
Was told it was tuned for tvs and 2.8 and then tweaked for the stock tvs pulley which is on it now
But im assuming the tweaking done wasn't perfect ahem
Plan is to get this problem fixed then snow performance meth kit and a tune by National Speed in Wilmington NC.
But It's to the point where it purges a cloud of black soot when I take off in 1st.
Nasty smelling stuff that burns your eyes
Noob question. . . what is a good afr at wot
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for a supercharged car, generally anything between 12-12.5, superchargers tend to like it a little bit leaner then turbo car's, which typically shoot for 11.7. Sounds like you have major tuning issues right now, id hold off on the meth until these issues are resolved, meth will add a new equation to the fuel tuning.
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Hear a loud bang last night and car died! screwed out rear o2 and limped it to an exhaust shop.
My cat fell apart and clogged my resonator completely. . . . . . . .
Would I be able to gut the cat and drive til the 26th when I get paid lol?
Could the bad cat have been causing the nasty smell/smoke???
My cat fell apart and clogged my resonator completely. . . . . . . .
Would I be able to gut the cat and drive til the 26th when I get paid lol?
Could the bad cat have been causing the nasty smell/smoke???
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Hear a loud bang last night and car died! screwed out rear o2 and limped it to an exhaust shop.
My cat fell apart and clogged my resonator completely. . . . . . . .
Would I be able to gut the cat and drive til the 26th when I get paid lol?
Could the bad cat have been causing the nasty smell/smoke???
My cat fell apart and clogged my resonator completely. . . . . . . .
Would I be able to gut the cat and drive til the 26th when I get paid lol?
Could the bad cat have been causing the nasty smell/smoke???
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I haven't tried running it with the front o2 unplugged. . . .is that safe?
And there is a spring loaded "butterfly valve" in my exhaust where some of the cat was stuck. It looks to be cable-driven also if that makes any sense. What in the world is this for? for back pressure? I don't think it's stock
Slowbalt 2000 your car is sick! ill have to post some pics of mine in all it's plasti dipped glory
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I see no reason to run without the front o2 sensor at this point, you found your problem. Unplugging the o2 sensor just makes the computer run the default speed density tables, that is all. I would however replace that sensor now that the problem has been identified, the heat created in front of that clogged cat is enough to damage o2 sensors.
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The point of unplugging the o2 sensor would be for the computer to fall back on the default values in the MAF and speed density tables as was originally designed for the car and prevent fuel trim correction from feedback from the o2, your point of telling him to unplug the o2 would be to see if the car runs smoother by eliminating faulty readings from the o2 sensor causing the car to adjust the fuel trims in a way that causes the car to run poorly. They run both tables in open loop comparing values between the two. But yeh if your trying to eliminate a sensor related fueling issue, unplugging the maf usually is the first stop so that it goes to that it fails the maf and goes to the speed density tables only.
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Cats been gutted and that valve taken out and tossed. Now the car is boosting like hell at wot
AFR at wot is 11.90 so rich
AFR normal driving is 15.40 but still black smoke when taking off
o2 has been unplugged we'll see what happens
I work at an auto parts store so I think i'll go ahead and replace it if there's a difference
Header and downpipe otw fron zzp. . . .yes I know I couldn't wait til I get paid lol
Wish I had the 500 to drop on hpt
AFR at wot is 11.90 so rich
AFR normal driving is 15.40 but still black smoke when taking off
o2 has been unplugged we'll see what happens
I work at an auto parts store so I think i'll go ahead and replace it if there's a difference
Header and downpipe otw fron zzp. . . .yes I know I couldn't wait til I get paid lol
Wish I had the 500 to drop on hpt