What we are looking for is someone with an AIS or Devils alky kit. We want to borrow the kit for a couple days. We are in the process of working on a long tech article. WE may call it "The deception of injection" or something similar. I post that to be clear on my intentions. I don't want someone pissed later. Anyway, we are going to do one test, that is to test the output pressure of your pump. We'll video tape it. We will then give you $1 in a ZZP gift cert for every pound the pump makes. In theory, you should be $150 that you can spend or sell.

Please don't PM unless it's about sending us a kit.

 

oooooo drama!

So im guessing your questioning the output pressure of the sureflow pumps?

 

Yes, but maybe I'll be proven wrong. I'm willing to pay to find out. This is but a very small slice of the larger picture on these injection kits though. I'm going to prove that they not only don't add HP, they take it away (when using anything but nearly pure alcohol)

 

VERY interesting, as i just finished dialing in my meth injection yesterday

 

this should be interesting subscribed

 

PM me i just got my kit today its brand new i will send u mine

 

watch how you only make 1 dollar.

 

Well.. Even if they add 0 hp.. It still provides ample cooling? If not.. I'm going to judo chop some bitches, Lmao.

 

So you are saying the 18 whp I made off a 50/50 mix was BS????

 

wait wtf

 

1 dollar per pound so all you getting is a dollar if thats all your pump makes.

 

no there gonna prove that meth adds no hp

 

Read closer... There never really was a claim that W/M directly added HP... It's always been viewed as a cooling mod.

 

well I had no problem advancing my timing up to 5* in some areas of my map with 50/50
plus a good healthy drop in IAT2 temps...

gonna be hard to prove that it didnt add HP....
UNLESS your talking about UN-tuned spraying...

 

Zoomer,

i've got a pump and such here if you are game for this.

i'm no more then a short drive or 1 days shipping away from guys in GR.

 

of course meth doesnt add hp, its the tune with the meth that allows you to advance timing, which in the long run gives hp lol

 

It allows for cooling an a octane boost which allows you to bump the timing up and as far as I understand =More timing=More hp.

 

Sure it allows more timing... but it doesn't DIRECTLY add HP.
It's kind of like putting a bigger intercooler on a car... it doesn't add power, but it allows you to make more power due to a cooler charge and more timing.

 

pedantics.

 

Exactly, Wouldn't you contribute that to the meth??? I would. Now if he is talking about throwing it on without a tune then that is a no brainer. Of course it isn't going to add more.Rich afr=less power.

 

Well, it's all how you view it.

It's a cooling mod in my eyes.

 

Yea it is, but from what I got out of it was that you can not achieve more power with meth and water unless you are running at least 90% meth. And as stated above, we pulled 18 whp out of it with a 50/50 mix give or take 5%.

 

if it was a cooling mod, people would spray 100% water.
as water has double the latent heat absorbtion of methanol.

the methanol is there as a high octane fuel additive.

 

More of a compensator.
The fact that you are adding something that isn't air or fuel isn't normally good for the system... the methanol offsets that. But the fact about methanol though, is that it's being injected in such low quantities, that it's energy and octane effectiveness is very minor, as methanol has a lower energy value than gas. The amount of timing you can add due to XX% of meth added, would be set back by the loss of energy, in our applications (of course this is not the case with pure meth fuel vehicles, as they are specially designed for the fuel).

With that said, there was a study done a few years ago that studied the relation of W/M in a system. It was found that to keep the maximum effectiveness of the system, the average car should not spray any more methanol than 5-10% (vehicle dependent) of the volume flow of fuel at any given time. This keep gasoline as the primary fuel. The addition of water is there simply for cooling.

One JRSC Honda in the city here did his own extensive research, proved this many times over.

 

I disagree.
if its energy and octane effectiveness was "minor"
i wouldnt be gaining such significant amounts of timing.
were talking an equivalent octane increase to running race gas...


and as for the "less energy" point....
shall we talk about E85? it has 34% less energy than gasoline....
are you saying it will make less hp than gas when its properly tuned?


meth/water injected cars should definately have gasoline as the primary fuel. that i completely agree with.