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SeanEE89 09-26-2009 11:44 AM

Does anyone have any info on the Pedders Coilovers?

Omnigear 09-27-2009 12:37 AM

the thing with ppl recomending coilovers is that there are no dyno for them.
its mostly hersay because its what they got. i am not discrediting people but
its like having angelina jolie at one point sayin she is the baddest bitch on the planet
then you leave her and get megan fox, now she is the baddest bitch on the planet.

If David does not dyno the stance coilovers when i get a chance i will go 2 dyno them
at infineon since thats the only place in kali that i know that dynos coilovers.

Stamina 10-28-2009 12:08 AM


Originally Posted by SeanEE89 (Post 4330797)
Does anyone have any info on the Pedders Coilovers?

^x2

Also, the price on those on their website says "each"... that's gotta be a typo or that catapults it to the most expensive ones.

I filled out one of those inquiry forms for a local performance shop that was a dealer for them... never heard back from them.

slckrjay 11-30-2009 04:24 AM

hey guys, new at this. with the coilovers, what would i have to adjust to get a "soft" setting for street driving? I want a set that will ride softly until I upgrade performance later thanks

Maven 11-30-2009 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by slckrjay (Post 4488722)
hey guys, new at this. with the coilovers, what would i have to adjust to get a "soft" setting for street driving? I want a set that will ride softly until I upgrade performance later thanks

Well since every over the counter coilover on the market has only one adjustment for damping afaik, I would think it should be easy to figure out ;)

Seriosuly though, you just keep adjusting it softer until it gets too "springy" then just go back like 2 clicks and that should be as soft as safely possible.

Wangspeed 11-30-2009 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by Omnigear (Post 4331929)
the thing with ppl recomending coilovers is that there are no dyno for them.
its mostly hersay because its what they got. i am not discrediting people but
its like having angelina jolie at one point sayin she is the baddest bitch on the planet
then you leave her and get megan fox, now she is the baddest bitch on the planet.

If David does not dyno the stance coilovers when i get a chance i will go 2 dyno them
at infineon since thats the only place in kali that i know that dynos coilovers.

Amen to shock dynoing. Without shock dynos, you have no idea how a shock really performs.

Warren

JDP Motorsports 12-01-2009 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by Wangspeed (Post 4489396)
Amen to shock dynoing. Without shock dynos, you have no idea how a shock really performs.

Warren

Shock dynos aren't like engine dynos.... You can't look at a shock dyno curve and say man that's an awesome shock! What you do is test the vehicle at the track and find a setting you like, then you come back to the shop and run the dyno to see what that great feeling looks like in terms of the curve. That is now your bench mark for development. If I pulled a brand new shock out of the box and put it on a dyno it really means nothing. The curve may look nice on a sheet of paper but how does that translate into your specific vehicle or track? It doesn't...

I'm actually building my 2009 SS/TC for NASA Nationals next year and I plan on track testing a few combination's. I've used Bilstein, King, Koni, Fox, Penske, Moton and a host different set-ups in the past but nothing from anyone currently offering them for the Cobalt.


Originally Posted by SeanEE89 (Post 4330797)
Does anyone have any info on the Pedders Coilovers?

I might be starting with the Pedders coil overs. They are nice units but until they're tested I don't know. The majority of the units I'm seeing are Korean made..... One thing to look for is Mono Tube, twin tubes are only good for Drag Racing....

Kind regards,

Jordan

qwikredline 12-01-2009 09:42 PM


Originally Posted by JDP Motorsports (Post 4492307)
Shock dynos aren't like engine dynos.... You can't look at a shock dyno curve and say man that's an awesome shock! What you do is test the vehicle at the track and find a setting you like, then you come back to the shop and run the dyno to see what that great feeling looks like in terms of the curve. That is now your bench mark for development. If I pulled a brand new shock out of the box and put it on a dyno it really means nothing. The curve may look nice on a sheet of paper but how does that translate into your specific vehicle or track? It doesn't...

I'm actually building my 2009 SS/TC for NASA Nationals next year and I plan on track testing a few combination's. I've used Bilstein, King, Koni, Fox, Penske, Moton and a host different set-ups in the past but nothing from anyone currently offering them for the Cobalt.



I might be starting with the Pedders coil overs. They are nice units but until they're tested I don't know. The majority of the units I'm seeing are Korean made..... One thing to look for is Mono Tube, twin tubes are only good for Drag Racing....

Kind regards,

Jordan

You are 100% right. Pedders could be a perfect fit, or some ex-grand am 'balt Ohlins would be a great buy for you ...pm for details. Glad you are making progress, I learned you left P**** only recently....

INDColtsFan18 12-01-2009 09:49 PM

nice thread, thanks, helped me out

slowswap 12-01-2009 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by JDP Motorsports (Post 4492307)
Shock dynos aren't like engine dynos.... You can't look at a shock dyno curve and say man that's an awesome shock! What you do is test the vehicle at the track and find a setting you like, then you come back to the shop and run the dyno to see what that great feeling looks like in terms of the curve. That is now your bench mark for development. If I pulled a brand new shock out of the box and put it on a dyno it really means nothing. The curve may look nice on a sheet of paper but how does that translate into your specific vehicle or track? It doesn't...

You sir actually have some suspension knowledge. Two thumbs.

slckrjay 12-04-2009 03:22 AM


Originally Posted by Maven (Post 4489300)
Well since every over the counter coilover on the market has only one adjustment for damping afaik, I would think it should be easy to figure out ;)

Seriosuly though, you just keep adjusting it softer until it gets too "springy" then just go back like 2 clicks and that should be as soft as safely possible.

Thanks:cssNET:

tglems 12-04-2009 04:18 AM

Maybe a little off topic, but which would be a better buy for me as I daily drive plus autocross...the ksport coilovers or pedders springs with stock shocks/struts? Which would give better performance, better ride, etc?

JDP Motorsports 12-04-2009 04:51 AM

I'd go with the coilovers for sure! Adjustable damping and ride height.... Yah, apples to oranges... That was a great price also!

I just ordered some Pedders Coil Overs and should have them next week! So pumped!

DangotBoost 12-13-2009 07:46 PM

^ update on the pedders?

JDP Motorsports 12-14-2009 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by DangotBoost (Post 4525917)
^ update on the pedders?

The Pedders coilovers came in and they are very nice! I've worked with a lot of coilovers and for the $$ these are awesome! Pictures don't do them justice. They have 30 points of damping adjustment and ride height is adjusted independent of spring pre-load which means I won't get the choppy ride like drop springs and factory struts.

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._8318785_n.jpg

http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._2739445_n.jpg

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs052...._7951429_n.jpg

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._1623343_n.jpg

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._3319398_n.jpg

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos..._8002374_n.jpg

I will be installing them in the next week or so. I'll post up some before and after pics as well as my impression on ride quality and performance. I'll update soon!

Kind regards,

Jordan Priestley

Maven 12-14-2009 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by JDP Motorsports (Post 4527656)
The Pedders coilovers came in and they are very nice!

I am not convinced. They still look far too much like(identical) these for my tastes:
http://www.meganracing.com/uploadIma...DK-CCOBALT.jpg

Badge engineering if Ive ever seen it. Not putting em down, just sayin.

And id much rather spend $8xx on them than $12xx

JDP Motorsports 12-14-2009 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by Maven (Post 4528197)
I am not convinced. They still look far too much like(identical) these for my tastes:
http://www.meganracing.com/uploadIma...DK-CCOBALT.jpg

Badge engineering if Ive ever seen it. Not putting em down, just sayin.

Haha. They look identical... I won't put anything down until I try it myself. We'll see how they work on the track and if they're comfortable on the street. Have you run the Megan units yourself? Your impressions if so...... ;)

I want to go to some Ohlins or Penske's down the road but these should work great for now....

Kind regards,

Jordan

Maven 12-14-2009 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by JDP Motorsports (Post 4528216)
Haha. They look identical... I won't put anything down until I try it myself. We'll see how they work on the track and if they're comfortable on the street. Have you run the Megan units yourself? Your impressions if so...... ;)

I want to go to some Ohlins or Penske's down the road but these should work great for now....

Kind regards,

Jordan

Glad you can see they look the same Jordan, noone else even acknowledges it when I point these things out. Hard to refute now though. :lol:

I am not knocking them by any means, just saying that Id sure as shit wanna know why I was paying 40% more for the Pedders before I get them.

Besides the Stance ones which I havent tried, but am slightly tempted too (IF Adam will hook me up, :lol:) the Megans are probably what I would go with if I was gonna switch to an entry level coilover.

spike 12-14-2009 10:42 PM

those both also look just like the BC coilovers imo

JDP Motorsports 12-14-2009 10:58 PM


Originally Posted by Maven (Post 4528232)
Glad you can see they look the same Jordan, noone else even acknowledges it when I point these things out. Hard to refute now though. :lol:

I am not knocking them by any means, just saying that Id sure as shit wanna know why I was paying 40% more for the Pedders before I get them.

Besides the Stance ones which I havent tried, but am slightly tempted too (IF Adam will hook me up, :lol:) the Megans are probably what I would go with if I was gonna switch to an entry level coilover.

I will say although they look the same they may have different damping characteristics but I wouldn't know unless I ran them back to back on the track at the same settings. I know the Pedders units are dyno'd to make sure they are to spec. I don't know much about Megan Racing.

The BC units are different but this design is pretty common so far as the adjustable body length.

I'm really looking forward to getting these on our SS!! :cool:

Kind regards,

Jordan

Steven Flit 12-14-2009 11:15 PM


Originally Posted by spike (Post 4529280)
those both also look just like the BC coilovers imo

x2

And BC coilovers are under $1000 :-D

And replacement parts n upgrades are readily available via their office in Florida :) (At good prices too...)

Maven 12-14-2009 11:20 PM

the only real difference the BCs have is the actual strut mount. the majority of the system is also nearly identical to these.

Pedders runs them on a dyno? I dont know, maybe, but what good would it do? quality control I guess as they arent adjustable(internally)/rebuildable. I havent heard stories about Megans falling apart or horribly uneven handling(indicative of improper valving from damper to damper) so like I said, till proven otherwise.......I think the Pedders may be overpriced. They even use the exact same springs it seems, so I wonder how much extra work was put into the valving. Id love to hear otherwise because I am a big fan of most Pedders products, Id hate to learn that they truly did do what I think they did.

qwikredline 12-16-2009 11:37 PM


Originally Posted by Maven (Post 4529396)
the only real difference the BCs have is the actual strut mount. the majority of the system is also nearly identical to these.

Pedders runs them on a dyno? I dont know, maybe, but what good would it do? quality control I guess as they arent adjustable(internally)/rebuildable. I havent heard stories about Megans falling apart or horribly uneven handling(indicative of improper valving from damper to damper) so like I said, till proven otherwise.......I think the Pedders may be overpriced. They even use the exact same springs it seems, so I wonder how much extra work was put into the valving. Id love to hear otherwise because I am a big fan of most Pedders products, Id hate to learn that they truly did do what I think they did.

Maven: FYI I learned to day that Pedders ( now have a new canadian distributor I know very well was talking to them today) do 200 + million $ on the home market (Oz) annually. Not a small outfit. Very good people according to my source...products are excellent afaik for springs but you found them first. and they do coil overs for Redlines which makes them PRIMO in my book

Jordan: shock dyno on non adjustable shocks for what? for leaks?Jordan you are switched on for sure, but it would surprise me if they did but I will ask the question

Stamina 12-17-2009 01:09 AM

Do coilover setups still require the rack spacers?

Wangspeed 12-17-2009 01:12 AM

Just found out that the Pedders have linear valving, and the adjustment affects both rebound and compression. Pass for me.

Warren


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