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Old 09-26-2009 | 11:44 AM
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Does anyone have any info on the Pedders Coilovers?
Old 09-27-2009 | 12:37 AM
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the thing with ppl recomending coilovers is that there are no dyno for them.
its mostly hersay because its what they got. i am not discrediting people but
its like having angelina jolie at one point sayin she is the baddest bitch on the planet
then you leave her and get megan fox, now she is the baddest bitch on the planet.

If David does not dyno the stance coilovers when i get a chance i will go 2 dyno them
at infineon since thats the only place in kali that i know that dynos coilovers.
Old 10-28-2009 | 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by SeanEE89
Does anyone have any info on the Pedders Coilovers?
^x2

Also, the price on those on their website says "each"... that's gotta be a typo or that catapults it to the most expensive ones.

I filled out one of those inquiry forms for a local performance shop that was a dealer for them... never heard back from them.
Old 11-30-2009 | 04:24 AM
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hey guys, new at this. with the coilovers, what would i have to adjust to get a "soft" setting for street driving? I want a set that will ride softly until I upgrade performance later thanks
Old 11-30-2009 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by slckrjay
hey guys, new at this. with the coilovers, what would i have to adjust to get a "soft" setting for street driving? I want a set that will ride softly until I upgrade performance later thanks
Well since every over the counter coilover on the market has only one adjustment for damping afaik, I would think it should be easy to figure out

Seriosuly though, you just keep adjusting it softer until it gets too "springy" then just go back like 2 clicks and that should be as soft as safely possible.
Old 11-30-2009 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Omnigear
the thing with ppl recomending coilovers is that there are no dyno for them.
its mostly hersay because its what they got. i am not discrediting people but
its like having angelina jolie at one point sayin she is the baddest bitch on the planet
then you leave her and get megan fox, now she is the baddest bitch on the planet.

If David does not dyno the stance coilovers when i get a chance i will go 2 dyno them
at infineon since thats the only place in kali that i know that dynos coilovers.
Amen to shock dynoing. Without shock dynos, you have no idea how a shock really performs.

Warren
Old 12-01-2009 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Wangspeed
Amen to shock dynoing. Without shock dynos, you have no idea how a shock really performs.

Warren
Shock dynos aren't like engine dynos.... You can't look at a shock dyno curve and say man that's an awesome shock! What you do is test the vehicle at the track and find a setting you like, then you come back to the shop and run the dyno to see what that great feeling looks like in terms of the curve. That is now your bench mark for development. If I pulled a brand new shock out of the box and put it on a dyno it really means nothing. The curve may look nice on a sheet of paper but how does that translate into your specific vehicle or track? It doesn't...

I'm actually building my 2009 SS/TC for NASA Nationals next year and I plan on track testing a few combination's. I've used Bilstein, King, Koni, Fox, Penske, Moton and a host different set-ups in the past but nothing from anyone currently offering them for the Cobalt.

Originally Posted by SeanEE89
Does anyone have any info on the Pedders Coilovers?
I might be starting with the Pedders coil overs. They are nice units but until they're tested I don't know. The majority of the units I'm seeing are Korean made..... One thing to look for is Mono Tube, twin tubes are only good for Drag Racing....

Kind regards,

Jordan

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Old 12-01-2009 | 09:42 PM
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Shock dynos aren't like engine dynos.... You can't look at a shock dyno curve and say man that's an awesome shock! What you do is test the vehicle at the track and find a setting you like, then you come back to the shop and run the dyno to see what that great feeling looks like in terms of the curve. That is now your bench mark for development. If I pulled a brand new shock out of the box and put it on a dyno it really means nothing. The curve may look nice on a sheet of paper but how does that translate into your specific vehicle or track? It doesn't...

I'm actually building my 2009 SS/TC for NASA Nationals next year and I plan on track testing a few combination's. I've used Bilstein, King, Koni, Fox, Penske, Moton and a host different set-ups in the past but nothing from anyone currently offering them for the Cobalt.



I might be starting with the Pedders coil overs. They are nice units but until they're tested I don't know. The majority of the units I'm seeing are Korean made..... One thing to look for is Mono Tube, twin tubes are only good for Drag Racing....

Kind regards,

Jordan
You are 100% right. Pedders could be a perfect fit, or some ex-grand am 'balt Ohlins would be a great buy for you ...pm for details. Glad you are making progress, I learned you left P**** only recently....
Old 12-01-2009 | 09:49 PM
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nice thread, thanks, helped me out
Old 12-01-2009 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by JDP Motorsports
Shock dynos aren't like engine dynos.... You can't look at a shock dyno curve and say man that's an awesome shock! What you do is test the vehicle at the track and find a setting you like, then you come back to the shop and run the dyno to see what that great feeling looks like in terms of the curve. That is now your bench mark for development. If I pulled a brand new shock out of the box and put it on a dyno it really means nothing. The curve may look nice on a sheet of paper but how does that translate into your specific vehicle or track? It doesn't...
You sir actually have some suspension knowledge. Two thumbs.
Old 12-04-2009 | 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Maven
Well since every over the counter coilover on the market has only one adjustment for damping afaik, I would think it should be easy to figure out

Seriosuly though, you just keep adjusting it softer until it gets too "springy" then just go back like 2 clicks and that should be as soft as safely possible.
Thanks
Old 12-04-2009 | 04:18 AM
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Maybe a little off topic, but which would be a better buy for me as I daily drive plus autocross...the ksport coilovers or pedders springs with stock shocks/struts? Which would give better performance, better ride, etc?
Old 12-04-2009 | 04:51 AM
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I'd go with the coilovers for sure! Adjustable damping and ride height.... Yah, apples to oranges... That was a great price also!

I just ordered some Pedders Coil Overs and should have them next week! So pumped!
Old 12-13-2009 | 07:46 PM
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^ update on the pedders?
Old 12-14-2009 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DangotBoost
^ update on the pedders?
The Pedders coilovers came in and they are very nice! I've worked with a lot of coilovers and for the $$ these are awesome! Pictures don't do them justice. They have 30 points of damping adjustment and ride height is adjusted independent of spring pre-load which means I won't get the choppy ride like drop springs and factory struts.













I will be installing them in the next week or so. I'll post up some before and after pics as well as my impression on ride quality and performance. I'll update soon!

Kind regards,

Jordan Priestley

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Old 12-14-2009 | 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JDP Motorsports
The Pedders coilovers came in and they are very nice!
I am not convinced. They still look far too much like(identical) these for my tastes:


Badge engineering if Ive ever seen it. Not putting em down, just sayin.

And id much rather spend $8xx on them than $12xx
Old 12-14-2009 | 04:17 PM
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I am not convinced. They still look far too much like(identical) these for my tastes:


Badge engineering if Ive ever seen it. Not putting em down, just sayin.
Haha. They look identical... I won't put anything down until I try it myself. We'll see how they work on the track and if they're comfortable on the street. Have you run the Megan units yourself? Your impressions if so......

I want to go to some Ohlins or Penske's down the road but these should work great for now....

Kind regards,

Jordan
Old 12-14-2009 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JDP Motorsports
Haha. They look identical... I won't put anything down until I try it myself. We'll see how they work on the track and if they're comfortable on the street. Have you run the Megan units yourself? Your impressions if so......

I want to go to some Ohlins or Penske's down the road but these should work great for now....

Kind regards,

Jordan
Glad you can see they look the same Jordan, noone else even acknowledges it when I point these things out. Hard to refute now though.

I am not knocking them by any means, just saying that Id sure as **** wanna know why I was paying 40% more for the Pedders before I get them.

Besides the Stance ones which I havent tried, but am slightly tempted too (IF Adam will hook me up, ) the Megans are probably what I would go with if I was gonna switch to an entry level coilover.
Old 12-14-2009 | 10:42 PM
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those both also look just like the BC coilovers imo
Old 12-14-2009 | 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Maven
Glad you can see they look the same Jordan, noone else even acknowledges it when I point these things out. Hard to refute now though.

I am not knocking them by any means, just saying that Id sure as **** wanna know why I was paying 40% more for the Pedders before I get them.

Besides the Stance ones which I havent tried, but am slightly tempted too (IF Adam will hook me up, ) the Megans are probably what I would go with if I was gonna switch to an entry level coilover.
I will say although they look the same they may have different damping characteristics but I wouldn't know unless I ran them back to back on the track at the same settings. I know the Pedders units are dyno'd to make sure they are to spec. I don't know much about Megan Racing.

The BC units are different but this design is pretty common so far as the adjustable body length.

I'm really looking forward to getting these on our SS!!

Kind regards,

Jordan
Old 12-14-2009 | 11:15 PM
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those both also look just like the BC coilovers imo
x2

And BC coilovers are under $1000

And replacement parts n upgrades are readily available via their office in Florida (At good prices too...)
Old 12-14-2009 | 11:20 PM
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the only real difference the BCs have is the actual strut mount. the majority of the system is also nearly identical to these.

Pedders runs them on a dyno? I dont know, maybe, but what good would it do? quality control I guess as they arent adjustable(internally)/rebuildable. I havent heard stories about Megans falling apart or horribly uneven handling(indicative of improper valving from damper to damper) so like I said, till proven otherwise.......I think the Pedders may be overpriced. They even use the exact same springs it seems, so I wonder how much extra work was put into the valving. Id love to hear otherwise because I am a big fan of most Pedders products, Id hate to learn that they truly did do what I think they did.
Old 12-16-2009 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Maven
the only real difference the BCs have is the actual strut mount. the majority of the system is also nearly identical to these.

Pedders runs them on a dyno? I dont know, maybe, but what good would it do? quality control I guess as they arent adjustable(internally)/rebuildable. I havent heard stories about Megans falling apart or horribly uneven handling(indicative of improper valving from damper to damper) so like I said, till proven otherwise.......I think the Pedders may be overpriced. They even use the exact same springs it seems, so I wonder how much extra work was put into the valving. Id love to hear otherwise because I am a big fan of most Pedders products, Id hate to learn that they truly did do what I think they did.
Maven: FYI I learned to day that Pedders ( now have a new canadian distributor I know very well was talking to them today) do 200 + million $ on the home market (Oz) annually. Not a small outfit. Very good people according to my source...products are excellent afaik for springs but you found them first. and they do coil overs for Redlines which makes them PRIMO in my book

Jordan: shock dyno on non adjustable shocks for what? for leaks?Jordan you are switched on for sure, but it would surprise me if they did but I will ask the question
Old 12-17-2009 | 01:09 AM
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Do coilover setups still require the rack spacers?
Old 12-17-2009 | 01:12 AM
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Just found out that the Pedders have linear valving, and the adjustment affects both rebound and compression. Pass for me.

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