so i will first confess and say modding the suspension is somethin kind of new to me and i'm curious to get some clarification on the difference between the 2. i do dd my car as well as plan to take it to the track quite often once its all finished. so please can you guys chime in with wut the difference is as well as some real world feedback. thanks!

 

get the hardcore bar the XXX is pretty much set up for track use, others will chime and state the same thing. this has been discussed quite often i even have a thread on the topic. HC bar is bout $200 i believe plus shipping and from others that already have the product they will say its well worth the mod...

 

Even if you are going to track it later, you aren't going to want to start with a XXX.

Get the hardcore, you'll be fine.

 

Do you already have track experience? If so, XXX. If not, Hardcore. IMO, for experienced track drivers, the Hardcore bar is pretty mild.

 

thanx for the input guys. this is exactly wut i wanted to know. no i haven't really tracked my car yet. i'm in the process of gettin it all ready for the track and needed to know which would be the better option for me

 

F my life!!! lol

Just bought the wrong bar...thought the Hardcore was stiffer than the XXX....oh well live and learn... it should arrive in Germany next week

 

so you got the XXX, paid more for it, and thought it was the smaller one??

 

I'm thinking about getting one of these... just to help with a little of the cars lean one quick turns

 

yeaa its a great upgrade. I have the HC bar an love it. Plus it takes like 15min to put on

 

Do you feel more planted in turns?

 

dont think that is what he is saying. he wanted the stiffer of the two and instead got the softer of the two. he didnt pay for the xxx and get the HC.

+1

yup

 

Think I'm gonna get one pretty soon

 

I just got the XXX bar whie at powell's and wow holy hell what a difference over the progress I had in the rear before. Just got new tires put on wednesday too and every day im pushing the car a little more and a little more in this one corner at work. I must say other powell mods compliment each other as well too for furture suspension modding thought

 

So you DO recommend the XXX for a DD?

 

^No, they cause a decent amount of lift off oversteer, if your not paying attention and you take an offramp and let off the gas quick-----TOKYO DRIFTO

 

I daily drive mine, no issues so far, been about two weeks. I say go for it. Powell did say take it off in the winter though unless you want to go skating

 

this happened to me with the HC bar lmao .... this is where playing video games like Forza pays off lmao

 

yea letting off the gas mid corner could turn out terrible if you arent careful.. there's already been a ss/tc at the track that wrecked due to this

 

Yep, and he wasn't even running the XXX bar, just the HC bar. I don't understand why so many people are hell bent on getting the XXX bar. Just because Powell makes it, and its bigger than the HC bar, people automatically assume they need it.

 

Powell needs to get their website up so I can order some goodies

 

thanx for all the input guys! great info

 

you can contact gloria to order... Me personally my HC bar isnt on schedule until mid may...if i cant stop buying up all the parts off the classified....damn i must have paid some of yall bills lol but it gud i love it and the feedback i get from everyone.................I LOVE THIS FORUM LOL!!! some of yall i will race or try to meet when she's put together and im driving bac to texas from NY..

 

true story


the HC bar is just about perfect for me at AutoX, some times a XXX would be nice to try though... that said, there have been a few corners where I could feel my tail end start to swing out with my HC bar on higher speed on-ramps where you have to make sure you stay on the throttle so your sway bar doesnt "spring" you into the ditch.. I mean I was taking a 30mph circular ramp at 65 but thats besides the point

 

And see all the exits are flat turns. You can't come into them hot. They suck!!!

 

I don't know what you guys are doing, but my car doesn't rotate quickly, or oversteer. It just does what it should now. I can lift mid turn, and the amount of oversteer that occurs is very small, IMO. Nowhere near what I would call fast.

Never had the rear step out in the rain or cold.