Suspension and brake facts (FE1, FE3, FE5, J41, JM4, JL9)
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#331
idk why GM would sell an FE1 rack for $350 and tell you it isnt serviceible but sell you a FE3 or FE5 and tell you that it is serviceible, kinda rediculous if you ask me. i bought one for FE3/FE5 its going in today, any tips/tricks would be usefull
#336
ion fe1/fe2
This is a sticky covering the various OEM suspension and brake packages available on the different models Cobalts. I do not have all the facts yet, and will note where information is needed. If you have a fact, post it, and I'll add it to the list.
Thanks to Maven for a lot of info. Instead of re-posting here, look below for a nice part number list.
The suspensions:
Starting with the FE1, and then the changes with each up-level system
FE1 suspension
19-mm front stabilizer bar
16-mm rear stabilizer bar
Stamped steel front lower control arms
FE3 suspension
22-mm front and rear stabilizer bars
Cast aluminum front lower control arms
FE3 shocks and springs
FE5 suspension - 2005-07 years
24-mm front stabilizer bar
FE5 shocks and struts. The springs may be different from some FE3 models.
Larger front end links
FE5 suspension - 2008 and up years
24-mm rear stabilizer bar
NEW FE5(LNF) shocks, struts, and springs.
Updated front knuckle
The Brakes
Brake systems are independent of suspension system, even though many parts are dependant on each other
J41
Front disc; 256mm x 23.69mm front rotors, 50mm single piston iron calipers
Rear drum; 50mm single piston iron calipers, 9.06" rear drums
4x100 wheels
(LS/LT)
JM4
Same as J41 but with ABS
(LS/LT w/ABS)
5 Lug JM4
ABS front disc; 276mm x 23.69mm rotors, 52mm single piston iron calipers
Rear drum; (unchanged except for 5 lugs)
5x110 wheels
(LT w/ABS and upgraded wheels, LT2, 2009 LT2 Sport)
JL9
ABS 4 wheel disc; 296mm x 26mm frt rotors, 54mm single piston iron calipers
Rear; solid 270mm x 14mm rear rotors, 38mm single piston iron calipers
5x110 wheels
(SS/SC, SS/NA, 2.4L Sport)
JL9/LNF
ABS 4 wheel disc; 315.5mm x 26mm frt rotors, 38mm 4 piston Brembo aluminum calipers
Rear; vented 292mm x 19.9mm rear rotors, 40mm single piston iron calipers
5x110 wheels
(SS/TC)
The Cars
These are just Cobalts. If anyone can fill me in on G5's, Ion's or HHR's, I'll add that.
2005
Base, LS, LT - FE1 with J41 or JM4
SS/SC - FE5 with JL9
2006 - 07
LS, LT, LTZ - FE1 with J41, JM4, or (2007) 5-lug JM4
SS/NA - FE3 with JL9
SS/SC - FE5 with JL9
2008 (updated FE5 specs began this year)
LS, LT - FE1 with J41, JM4, or 5-lug JM4
Sport - FE3 with JL9
SS/TC - FE5 with JL9(LNF)
2009
LS, LT - FE1 with J41, JM4, or 5-lug JM4
SS/TC - FE5 with JL9(LNF)
Part interchangeability
So far, and to the best of our collective knowledge, every single suspension part is completely interchangable between models. Some rules apply, which are listed here:
1. If you change the front anti-sway bar, you must be careful to get the proper model year. As explained below by Maven, the FE5 front bar mounting changed between 2005-06. It appears the simple trick it to just get the 2005 FE5 parts to insure compatibility.
2. You can change the rear FE1 axle to an FE5 axle. The FE5 axle has provisions for mounting rear disk brakes. So you either have to cut those off to put on your drums back on, or you have to convert to rear disks. Converting to rear disks does NOT mean you have to convert to 5 lug hubs, but you are going to have to find some 4-lug rotors!
3. Knuckles are the same on every suspension up through 2007. In 2008, the FE5 knuckle was updated with various improvements for bump steer. It is NOT interchangeable. You can still use the GM Racing knuckles for those earlier years
4. Every other part should be completely compatible. For instance, you don't have to use FE1 struts if you want to put on FE5 springs, and so forth.
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I'm still collecting my data and making changes to this. I wanted to get it posted right away in case any help can be offered. Anything you can give, part numbers, spring rates, off the wall stuff, post it up.
Thanks to Maven for a lot of info. Instead of re-posting here, look below for a nice part number list.
The suspensions:
Starting with the FE1, and then the changes with each up-level system
FE1 suspension
19-mm front stabilizer bar
16-mm rear stabilizer bar
Stamped steel front lower control arms
FE3 suspension
22-mm front and rear stabilizer bars
Cast aluminum front lower control arms
FE3 shocks and springs
FE5 suspension - 2005-07 years
24-mm front stabilizer bar
FE5 shocks and struts. The springs may be different from some FE3 models.
Larger front end links
FE5 suspension - 2008 and up years
24-mm rear stabilizer bar
NEW FE5(LNF) shocks, struts, and springs.
Updated front knuckle
The Brakes
Brake systems are independent of suspension system, even though many parts are dependant on each other
J41
Front disc; 256mm x 23.69mm front rotors, 50mm single piston iron calipers
Rear drum; 50mm single piston iron calipers, 9.06" rear drums
4x100 wheels
(LS/LT)
JM4
Same as J41 but with ABS
(LS/LT w/ABS)
5 Lug JM4
ABS front disc; 276mm x 23.69mm rotors, 52mm single piston iron calipers
Rear drum; (unchanged except for 5 lugs)
5x110 wheels
(LT w/ABS and upgraded wheels, LT2, 2009 LT2 Sport)
JL9
ABS 4 wheel disc; 296mm x 26mm frt rotors, 54mm single piston iron calipers
Rear; solid 270mm x 14mm rear rotors, 38mm single piston iron calipers
5x110 wheels
(SS/SC, SS/NA, 2.4L Sport)
JL9/LNF
ABS 4 wheel disc; 315.5mm x 26mm frt rotors, 38mm 4 piston Brembo aluminum calipers
Rear; vented 292mm x 19.9mm rear rotors, 40mm single piston iron calipers
5x110 wheels
(SS/TC)
The Cars
These are just Cobalts. If anyone can fill me in on G5's, Ion's or HHR's, I'll add that.
2005
Base, LS, LT - FE1 with J41 or JM4
SS/SC - FE5 with JL9
2006 - 07
LS, LT, LTZ - FE1 with J41, JM4, or (2007) 5-lug JM4
SS/NA - FE3 with JL9
SS/SC - FE5 with JL9
2008 (updated FE5 specs began this year)
LS, LT - FE1 with J41, JM4, or 5-lug JM4
Sport - FE3 with JL9
SS/TC - FE5 with JL9(LNF)
2009
LS, LT - FE1 with J41, JM4, or 5-lug JM4
SS/TC - FE5 with JL9(LNF)
Part interchangeability
So far, and to the best of our collective knowledge, every single suspension part is completely interchangable between models. Some rules apply, which are listed here:
1. If you change the front anti-sway bar, you must be careful to get the proper model year. As explained below by Maven, the FE5 front bar mounting changed between 2005-06. It appears the simple trick it to just get the 2005 FE5 parts to insure compatibility.
2. You can change the rear FE1 axle to an FE5 axle. The FE5 axle has provisions for mounting rear disk brakes. So you either have to cut those off to put on your drums back on, or you have to convert to rear disks. Converting to rear disks does NOT mean you have to convert to 5 lug hubs, but you are going to have to find some 4-lug rotors!
3. Knuckles are the same on every suspension up through 2007. In 2008, the FE5 knuckle was updated with various improvements for bump steer. It is NOT interchangeable. You can still use the GM Racing knuckles for those earlier years
4. Every other part should be completely compatible. For instance, you don't have to use FE1 struts if you want to put on FE5 springs, and so forth.
_________________________________________
I'm still collecting my data and making changes to this. I wanted to get it posted right away in case any help can be offered. Anything you can give, part numbers, spring rates, off the wall stuff, post it up.
does anyone know if the fe2 control arms for a 2003 ion can be replaced with fe1 or what the differnce is
#346
susp. swap lt to ss(super sleeper)
i got a 2006 Lt and i turning it into a ss sleeper. i got a guy this thats gonna sell me a complete ss suspenstion with a.m. coil overs for a $100!!!! bad ass deal right!!!! i got an ss motor thats blown that im rebuilding. and i got a t3 t4 turbo kit with out the turbo manifold from a buddy for the low.
and 5-speed with the flywheel racing clutch and shifter and all that good stuff.
but my main question is about this suspentsion swap i got the ABS pump, the coil overs, control arms spindels front and back disc brakes with the back axel assembally, all four hubs, sway bar and links. so wil i be able to swap everthing over with out having an ss rack and pinion, and can i use my factory abs pump and master cylinder. also is their any thing else i wouild need to know or have to buy.
any input would be greatly appreciated
and 5-speed with the flywheel racing clutch and shifter and all that good stuff.
but my main question is about this suspentsion swap i got the ABS pump, the coil overs, control arms spindels front and back disc brakes with the back axel assembally, all four hubs, sway bar and links. so wil i be able to swap everthing over with out having an ss rack and pinion, and can i use my factory abs pump and master cylinder. also is their any thing else i wouild need to know or have to buy.
any input would be greatly appreciated
#347
I got an 06 with FE3 with blown front struts. Would the FE3 springs interfere with anything if I upgrade the struts to FE5?
I tried looking it up but everything I found was all a mess and all the FE codes just started making my brain hurt >.<
I tried looking it up but everything I found was all a mess and all the FE codes just started making my brain hurt >.<