Cobalt4Life

hey i read somewhere talking about these e-manage ultimates so i looked around and found there site, and was surprised about what all it does.. was planning on getting the aem but saw this.. the main page of it says:


"e-Manage Utimate"


"The GReddy e-manage Ultimate is as close to a stand-alone management system as you can get while maintaining the best features of a "piggy-back" engine management; an economical price, the usage of existing sensors, the ability to easily alter factory settings and not having to tune from scratch. But unlike the original e-manage, the Ultimate is more refined, requiring specific application usage (which we are constantly adding application updates that you can download FREE via greddy.com, Tech WebPages.) The benefit of this is, the included PC-based USB "Ultimate Support Tool" allows for even finer tuning capabilities, improved flexibility in fuel & ignition control and adds impressive data-logging qualities to make tuning quicker and easier. The increased number of input and output ports of the Ultimate, along with new built-in adapters add many new options to the unit. In addition to standard e-manage airflow-based adjustments, the Ultimate version includes new and upgraded features. The Parameter Set-up, tab menu format of the Ultimate has improved direct Map control for adding and subtracting Fuel and Ignition. The ability to switch between 2 preset tuning Maps (i.e. Street or Race program) via externally mounted toggle switches. There are Maps for Individual cylinder adjustment for both Fuel and Ignition. There are also options to convert injection and ignition systems (i.e. group or sequential injection and group or individual fire ignition.) An Airflow Output Map option even allows for airflow meter elimination. And when used with a wideband A/F Meter, the Air Fuel Target Map can self-tune an Injector base tuning Map, to speed up initial tuning. There are also built-in Boost, Rev and Speed Limiter-Cut features. To create super smooth operation, there are various fine tuning Correction Maps to adjust for Throttle Acceleration, Vehicle Speed, Water Temp, Intake Temp, Auto Trans Shift, Anti Engine Stall, and Idle. To further aid in tuning, e-manage Ultimate’s improved integrated Monitoring, Map Tracing and Datalogging features far exceed any other piggyback controller on the market. Even when not connected to the software, 8 channels of datalogging (at 20msec intervals) can be recorded and stored to be reviewed later. With the Support Tool connected, over 30 channels can be covered. Other new features include: Improved RPM recognition, Warning Settings, Password Protection for individual tuning Maps, NVCS (Nissan), VTEC (Honda), O2 Feed-back, Clean Fouled Plugs, and numerous others in future updates. Ideal for optimizing and fine-tuning for performance products like Exhaust, Air Intake, Intercoolers, Boost Controllers, and Turbochargers, the e-manage Ultimate fills the gaps between conventional piggyback and expensive stand-alone engine managements. All installation and tuning should only be made by a trained technician with proper air/fuel monitoring tools. (Some or all functions may not be compatible with some applications.)"


it says about tuning or so for automatic trannys.. does it mean you can actually adjust parts of the tranny like shiftpoints and line pressure?? also i notice they got harnesses but not for our car, but it looks like you can build your own harness..

The ultimate complete harness kit, does that mean you can build your own harness?? because they dont have the complete ones for our car.. what other advantages does this have over the aem...

Only thing is its pricey and requires a harness kit.. but if it makes it that much easier to use and hookup, id consider it over the aem.. it also uses your car map and seems to build 2 of its own from what i gather.. race and street map.. correct me if i am wrong and all, just trying to figure this all out.. i dont no much about tuning, but am turboing within a year



EDIT: TUNES AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS..

Cobalt4Life

bump!! anyone know anything about this unit??

balt21

i dont really know anything about it, but it looks pretty good. bump for someone with info.

RedBaseBolt

it has been discussed in many threads. A lot of ppl think this is superior to the AEM-FIC but depending on what goals you have in mind I beg to differ.

I personally bought the AEM-FIC, I haven't hooked it up yet but if it lets me supercharge my car safely, then I'm happy.

Cobalt4Life

i gotta call greddy today to get my answers.. i want it to tune my tranny and to tune me and to be at a safe afr for the hahn kit.

BOOSSTED 06

go to www.innovativetuning.com

call them and ask for Mike. Im pretty sure he uses both and has used them a ton on customer cars, he will give you the best recommendation and answer most questions you have

Cobalt4Life

thx cobalt kid 06.. i tried calling they were busy but i did call greddy and here it is..


The greddy e-manage ultimate does controll everything the same as the aem and the others, plus it controlls larger injectors, dont need more injectors.. and heres the best part

IT TUNES AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIONS.. it can change shift points, line pressure, he said you can tune every asspect of the tranny..

all you need to buy is the ultimate tuner box,..

$680.00
Ultimate complete harness kit $120.00
thats 800 bucks for full controll over our car..

they were very nice and said they have no problems working in the cobalt and it has been done and works perfectly, he told me to spread the word to the forums and i recommended them to become a vendor and he was quite interested...

they said if anyone has questions do not hesitate to call..

I forgot to ask about the governor and rpm limiter.. crap.. i will ask them later..

Sw4y1313

I have seen many companies say their stuff works with the cobalt, but never proven. AEM has proven they have tested their unit on the cobalt. It looks like your going to be the first to try it out. Im a little skeptical on how it tunes the transmission. Maybe it works like the shiftplus because a piggyback never has full control of anything, remember that. I will check into it more thoroughly when i have time, i have to head to work soon.

Cobalt4Life

from the looks though, i seems to be half piggyback and half standalone, kind of in the middle.. from looking at the manual and all, it does have everything the aem does as it looks.. the ultimate just has more..

greddy seemed more knowledge when i asked them questions compared to aems answers i have gotten from them before.. plus the fact that greddy builds turbos and this device is build around tuning with turbos and everything else.. we will see though.. if its just as good as the aem plus does tranny tuning, then why not?? i dont mind being the quinea pig for it, i just need more money to get it..

i will not be hooking this up myself if i go through with it, id rather pay a shop to do it, i aint tampering with soldering irons and crap.. i have a shop that will do it cheap if need be.. called around, 70 bucks to install it and get it running which isnt bad.. they said they dont have a plug and play harness yet for it, but as interest arrises, it could be done.

EDIT: from another site




Greddy Performance Products introduces their newest piggyback engine management system, the e-Manage Ultimate!
The Greddy e-Manage Ultimate does what no other piggyback ECU can. Engineered to preserve the best features of the original e-Manage (economical price, no need for tuning from scratch, & compatible for most Japanese performance vehicles). Physical dimensions of the case are the same as the previous e-manage model, however the “e-manage Ultimate” has a black-chrome finish.

Bottom of Page

Front Panel

(Dip) Toggle Switch - 2 independent setting can now be stored and accessed via the “Toggle Switch.” 2 separate maps for the “Injection Adjustment Map” and the “Ignition Map.” (For Rotary engines, 2 separate “Primary and Secondary Injector Maps” and “Leading & Trailing Ignition Maps.”) i.e. one program for “street” and one for “race track”.
Serial port - External data (like “GReddy Warning Meters”, and other future optional products) can be monitored and recorded in real time through a data link cable.
Switch Port - “Data logging” and “Ignition Cut” features can be activated with the use of an optional “Remote Switching System” and “Switching Harness”
Option 1 & Option 2 - An additional “Option Connector” is added to the previous “Pressure Connector.” Now any two Options (like “GReddy Pressure Sensor”, “GReddy Temp Sensor,” “Multi-Switching System,” A/F Meter, Auxiliary Switch, Factory Pressure Sensor, or Other Analog Input signal) can be selected using the “Option 1” and/or “Option 2 “ ports.
USB Port - e-Manage is industry first to adapt the USB communication technology. We have improved communication with ability to use standard USB cables. This improvement also enhances the communication speed for more detailed real time monitoring and data recording.
Real Panel

Because of new Features, there are now 3 “Harness Connectors” (sold separately). The 18-pin and 12-pin connectors and the signal pins are identical to the previous e-manage system, while a new 14-pin connector was added for new features. Additional “Vehicle Specific Plug-in Harness” may also be available for certain applications.
Circuit Board

Many Optional Adapters, which previously need to be purchased separately, are now built-in. The internal circuit board contains 20 “Jumper Switches” to accommodate (previously separate) features, including:
Mazda Hotwire Airflow Meter Adapter
Ignition Signal Adapter Socket (Ignition Signal Adapter 1 & 2)
Parameter Setting - The biggest change to this system is in the “Parameter Setting” window. With all the added features, the window is now in a tab menu format.
Speed Limiter Cut Feature - This feature will eliminate the factory speed limiter. (May not work on some vehicles)
Throttle Setting - Any voltage can be inputted directly to set the throttle position.
Warning Setting - “e-manage Ultimate” can illuminate the Active L.E.D. as a warning light for RPM and/or one additional parameter from the menu, by selecting and setting a warning point value (or an unused “I/J CH” can be used to activate a relay to illuminate an external warning light).
Ignition Cut Feature - With the installation of a switch (in the “ON” position), ignition can be cut at a set RPM point
Map Trace
Protect Feature - Each Map has the option to be password protected
A/T Shift Compensation Feature - On vehicles with Automatic Transmissions, ignition timing can be compensated at set shift-up and shift-down points
Channel Change Feature - Vehicles with a distributor type ignition system may able to use group fire or individual ignition systems (Replacement parts and modifications to the wire harness is required)Also, Group injection systems may be changed to sequential injection (Modifications to the wire harness is required).
Map(s)
Airflow Output Map - Previously labeled “Airflow Adjustment Map” is now “Airflow Output Map”. (#)This can now used to eliminate the factory airflow meter. This is done by directly inputting voltage or frequency in to this map.
Anti Engine Stall Feature - The 8 adjustment cells are now upgraded to 16 cells, for even finer adjustment.
Injection Adjustment Map - Fuel trimming in the previous system was achieved by adjusting the “Airflow Adjustment Map” which could also affect the ignition timing. The improved “Injection Adjustment Map” is used to trim and add fuel directly by controlling the injector signal, therefor it will not affect the ignition timing at all. (However with an internal jumper setting change, the system is still able to trim the fuel by adjusting the airflow signal like the previous unit)
Acceleration Injection Map - Like the “Injection Adjustment Map”, the “Acceleration Injection Map” can trim fuel by controlling the injector signal. This is used if it is necessary to smooth rapid transitions to wide open throttle.
Individual Cylinder Injection Adj. & Individual Cylinder Ignition Adj. Maps - It is possible to correct uneven combustion between cylinders, by fine tuning each individual cylinder for more advanced tuning.
Vehicle Speed Correction Map - Inconsistencies due to differences in vehicle speed (difference in load) can be corrected with this map.
Coolant Temp Correction Map (Must be Selected with Knock Signal 1) - When the ECU Coolant Temp Calibration does not match the e-manage’s tuning, this map is used to tune the system at various temperature ranges.
Intake Air Temp Correction Map (Must be Selected with Knock Signal 2) - When the ECU Intake Air Temp Calibration does not match the e-manage’s tuning, this map is used to tune the system at various temperature ranges. (#)This map is also be used when eliminating the airflow meter on a vehicle equipped with a hotwire type airflow meter.
Rev Limiter Cut - For vehicles with a fuel cutting controlled rev limiter, this feature will drive the injectors past the factory rev limiter. *This feature will not work on vehicles with rev limiter controlled by ignition cut.
A/F Target Value Map (feedback tuning function) - By inputting target Air Fuel values in this map, “e-mange Ultimate” will automatically make corrections to the “Injection Map,” if an A/F meter (*high quality) is connected to the Auxiliary Output signal. This feature can shorten the tuning time.
Ignition Adjustment Map - The “Ignition Adjustment Map” can accurately advance ignition timing by controlling the crank angle / cam angle signal.
Acceleration Ignition Map - Ignition timing can also be corrected for a rapid change in the throttle opening rate for a smoother transition into wide open throttle.
NVCS Control Map - NVCS (Nissan Valve Control System) can be controlled with out the need for NVCS Adapter 1.
Analog Output Map - This feature can be used to eliminate the factory boost cut function on vehicles that are equipped with both an airflow meter and a pressure sensor (i.e.: FC3S, Subaru). Also, on some vehicles, the factory feedback range can be adjusted by outputting a corrected throttle position signal.
Auxilary Output Map - The fixed 4x4 map on the previous unit is now a fully adjustable 16x16 map. Set your own "ON" and "OFF" conditions.
Idle Stabilization Map - If the factory idle control valve is a solenoid type valve, this map can vary the valve’s duration to adjust the injection rate. (#)This is used when eliminating the airflow meter.
Other Added Features

RPM Signal RecognitionImproved RPM signal. If the standard RPM signal wire cannot be used, an RPM signal can be recognized though a crank angle / cam angle signal. With an internal jumper setting, the system can even recognize RPM from the negative signal of the ignition coil.
Fouled Plug Feature - When initiated this feature can help clean fouled spark plugs by cutting the injector’s firing at start up. To fix the fouled plug start the engine with wide-open throttle.
Data Log Features

Data Logging - Samplings can be recorded at 20msec on up to different 8 channels on the unit itself and over 30 when using the included software. The data can be recorded even when the PC is not connected.
TEXT File Feature - The data recorded in the Real Time Display mode can now be save as TEXT file. Organizing the data can simplified by opening the data in Excel and creating a graph.
Knock Monitor (Future update) - Knock can be monitored and reviewed.
Ignition Timing Display (Future update) - Ignition Timing can be monitored in the Real Time Display mode.





wow you can get both the piggyback and harness for under 700 bucks on most sites..

balt21

looks pretty good. if it tunes the tranny like they say this would be great. if it works well id be very interested when i get the money.

Cobalt4Life

well heres what my plans seem to be first off.. i need to get the exhaust and dp with the dp having a bung, then jumping and buying a wideband hooking up, then buying this tuner and harness and getting it situated to see how it works and all..

06black

remember that your dealing with a piggy back here, theres no "stand alone" part of it.

your lieing to the computer with every change you make, thus making its "self preservation" tactics useless thus more likely to kill **** out rite if something goes wrong.

why not just get a ECM tuner like hpt?

granted you have the 2.2 so hpt wont work but i can think of at least one company off hand that will.

if your going to change ****, do it the rite way.

Cobalt4Life

show me a company like htuners where it aint piggyback and does tranny and i will buy it.. i am doing this the only way i can bud.. got something better, show it off

06black

wrong, your doing it the only way you've seen on here.

EFIlive.

a few 2.2 guys have sued it already.

Cobalt4Life

k.. thanks for showing me that.. what i dont understand is how it all works i am learning slowly, but seems like more of a PnP device?? does this tune trannies because i cant trace that piece of info down?? how does this device plug in, obd2 port???

EDIT: man they dont even got a phone number just email support, could take days for answers if problems arose.. id prefer a company with at least a phone number.. and using a piggyback is not wrong, plenty of people use them and are fine.. you cant bitch at me and say do it the right way. there always 2 paths to everything.. and for the tranny controlling they want over a grand lol.. i dont want to end up paying near 3 thousand for tuning, thats rediculous.. i aint paying 10k for a turbo and tuning thats rediculous for my power goals. i aint even trying to reach 300hp.. just trying to hit 240 or so and thats it probably.. that pricing they have it wow..

06black

efi-live is similar to hpt.

talk to that celicobalt (sp?) guy, he did his final tuning work with the software. or at elast he was going to do it.

you wouldn't have to buy it if a shop by you can use it!

piggy backs lead to more and more issues down the road, i've seen more then my fair share of e-manages and aem box's die with no warning, leaving many a car stuck at the track.

factory ecms barely ever die in comparison.

balt21

I just looked at that EFI live website, i may be mistaken, but if you look under supported vehicles it shows the 2.4, not the 2.2. it shows having tuning for the e67 not the e16a (im not sure if you guys are 05-06 or 07+). i could be wrong about this because i just glanced but that doesnt look like it would do much for us.

06black

i saw that as well, yet i know of a few people on here who have used (at least clame to) that software..

i'd get in touch with them and double check.

Cobalt4Life

Thanks 06black for the help.. the more i hear about all the tuning the more it freaks me out, but i gotta get over that if i want this done right.. id rather by it also just for my own use down the road.. just in case ya no

EDIT: i emailed them as well asking a lot of questions.. also i added you to my aim name so if you go on i had more questions..

06black

good luck.

Cobalt4Life

Thanks, am hoping i can get this working, this is getting old finding whats needed isnt really needed.. ugg..

i keep forgetting i got dyno shops all around here in pa.. must start calling..

i just want to no how this hooks up.. is it like a serial port hookup like hptuners?? obd-II port or something..

Thanks for all the help..

Sw4y1313

EFILive has already said they DO NOT support the e16a and do not intend to at all. Sorry Black but whoever said they have used EFILive on a e16a 2.2 is full of ****. Its SCT that supports the e16a but Garrett owns the rights to the tune since they spent 100k to develop it. They will not release the support to SCT's self tuning softwared, yet at least...

The reason why hes trying to use a piggyback is because the SCT reflash is for MT only. Hes got an auto so he cannot reflash using the SCT Livewire reflash that comes with the Garrett turbo kit. EDIT: Or so they say...

Cobalt4Life

thanks for explaing that sw4, guess so far i still only have the choice of the e manage ultimate..
I appreciate both your guys help though.. back to the drawing board.

o3nisoaso3

its basically god

Cobalt4Life

what is?? the ultimate emanage??