wasey13

How did you come to that conclusion???

off topic- how do you put 100k+ on a car in 3 or so years?

helty

im guessing you're referring to the ford GT.....yeah, you are. first of all, let me say that the car is hot steamy sex on wheels and i dont care what anyone says. secondly, fords family of V8's are lacking in N/A form, but they respond very well to boost.

the problem with Ford's V8's is that they've gone completely modular all in an effort to cut costs. its either a 4.6 or 5.4. they havent designed a new V8 in over 10 years, just modified and tweaked existing designs (2V, 3V, 4V). After GM siezed production of the F-body's. there was no real reason to design a new V8 for the next generation Mustang, so the Modular family continued to find its way into Fords performance line-up.

anyway, the Modular engines just dont make great horsepower in N/A form (the 4.6's in the 99-04 GT's respong poorly to bolt-ons as well). the highest Ford has made that ever went into a car was the 385hp limited edition (read: 300) 00' Cobra R which was more of a race car than anything. Ford does have a Modular N/A 5.0 that makes 425hp, but is available as a crate engine for aftermarket purposes and has never been used in a production vehicle. Personally I think consumers would go ape **** for a new 5.0, but thats another story.

The reason Ford supercharges their high-performance cars is that its just easier to make big horsepower on Modular engines with Forced Induction rather than N/A. The engine in the Ford GT is by no means maxed out. just like most FI engines, its a pulley swap and a tune away from 600+ hp. so you can say add a blower to the 7.0 and it will make more power than the GT engine, and then i can come back with add a pulley and tune. it could go on forever. in N/A trim, i dont know what the 5.4 is fully capable of, because the highest Ford has ever produced it in N/A form is 385. im sure they could do a lot more, but they chose to go FI insead. the 7.0 is an awesome N/A motor, and I hope GM follows through with the Blue Devil. The Ford 5.4 is an older engine built for boost, and its served its purpose in the GT (not "mustang GT", i mean the exotic GT).

i know i'll get a lot of "Ford Sucks" comments, which i expect because this is a GM board. but personally im impressed with what the SVT engineers have done with their limited selection of engines (2). Its been made official that the Shelby will have 475hp with an Eaton blown 5.4 with the same heads found on the GT. (dont wanna give your top pony car more power than your Ferrari killer). Fact is Ford has chosen to use FI as a means to produce serious power, while GM and Mopar are doing it the old fashioned way. 500hp is 500hp, theres just different ways to reach it. To each his own right?

sooner or later Ford will have to engineer and design a completely new family of V8 engines. personally I hope they go back to good old pushrods, but I doubt they will. A modular 5.0 would possibly out-sell the V6 model, thats how popular the "5.0" was/is. I get asked all the time "you got a 5.0 in that thing?" unless you're an auto enthusiast, most people have no idea the last 5.0 in a mustang was 10 years ago.

ok, let the Ford bashing begin.

Blainestang

Ford Sucks!!!

Blainestang

Yeah, I'm not seeing how you came to this conclusion either.

Let's say you both trap around 100mph in the 1/4.

100mph = 146 ft/second

So, considering the GT would be about 1 second ahead of the Cobalt at the 1 mile mark (13.6 vs. ~14.6), the GT would be about 146 feet ahead.

So, what you're saying is that the Cobalt will be ahead of or equal to the GT until 60 or 70mph and then will proceed to put 146ft (~10 car lengths) between itself and the Cobalt by the time it reaches the finish line at ~100mph?

Not likely. Maybe if the GT wasn't flooring it most of the way down and then hit a 200-shot of juice at 60-70 mph.


Truth is, the GT would likely WAY outlaunch the Cobalt and pull on it all the way down the track in order to manage 10 cars. If anything the GT would pull LESS near the finish line that it did down low.

Spoony

^^ Good question

helty

I named my dog Bullitt. wanna sell me your intake manifold

Blainestang

I named my cat Bullitt. No.

1BADSS/SC

JUST SOME FYI FOR EVERYONE ON THE NEW GT'S:

Ford is still using the 4.6l engine in their new applications
Engine HP was boosted up from 260hp to 300hp

avg:

0-60 on the auto was rated at 5.1 sec
0-60 on the stick was rated at 4.9-4.8 sec

1/4mi on the auto was rated at 13.5 sec
1/4mi on the stick was rated at approx 13.1-13.3 sec

In all essence, theyre comparative to the new GTO's, Trans Ams ( newest models ), 1999 SVT Cobra, etc., just less HP.

Dont sweat it though. The stage kits will bring us to approx: 13.5-13.7 1/4mi. And with other simple mods, we should be able to get into the 12's. I know a guy who ran a 14.1 1/4mi with just a CAI. Not too shabby that such a simple upgrade can potentially slash .5 sec off our 1/4mi

helty

just to elaoborate a little bit.....when i refer to the 4.6 as New and Old, i simply mean "new" as in the engine in the 05, and "old" as in the 96-04's. its still the same 4.6 thats been used for the last 10 years, just tweaked, with different heads, cams and intake.

the 4.6l found in the new 05's is not the same as the one found in the 96-98's, and 99-04's. the 96-98's were the first years the 4.6s were put in the mustang and suffered from poor heads, cams and intake. (so if you beat a 96-98 body mustang, dont be too cocky. they were rather slow). the mustang crowd was very disappointed with the power numbers these new engines put out. in 99, ford used the same 4.6 but with different compression ratio, and what is known as Power Improvement (PI) heads, cams and intake. this upped power to 260hp, 300ft/lbs. The 4.6s in these cars were all SOHC 2 Valve engines (one intake, one exhaust), and respond poorly to bolt-ons (the cobras are 4 valves and respond much better to mods). in fact its hard to reach 300rwhp n/a with all the bolt-ons for a 99-04 GT. usually cams will put us over the top combined with ALL the bolt-ons. needless to say its rather sad. thank God for companies like Vortech, Paxton and Kenne-Bell

The NEW 4.6l engine is a SOHC, 3 Valve motor. Two intake valves, one exhaust. this new head, intake and cam configuration has done wonders for the aftermarket. the engine responds much better to mods than its 2V predecessor, and is capable of cracking into 12s with few mods (mid-pipe and DR's, for example). nevemind the fact that the car looks retarded, it can be made into a decent street/strip car with bolt-ons and a tune.

1BADSS/SC

Lolz, I agree. The new mustangs are OK looking, however I like the 99-04 body styles best . I was gonna get a convertible GT, but was turned off by the gas mileage, and poor handling in the snow ( not that the SS/SC is much better, however FWD is nicer ).

codyss

Quote:

0-60 on the auto was rated at 5.1 sec
0-60 on the stick was rated at 4.9-4.8 sec

1/4mi on the auto was rated at 13.5 sec
1/4mi on the stick was rated at approx 13.1-13.3 sec

Those numbers are giving the new GT alot of credit. I would love to see a 05-06 GT pull a 4.8 0-60 maybe with drag radials.

Even in stock form my 2002 Camaro SS ate 05-06 GT's, Mach1's were a much better race.

helty

the first day i had my GT, it F'n snowed and hailed. the only day of the year it did too. the bitch of it was that at the time, i worked grave shift at Little Rock AFB. I got home at 8 o'clock am before it started and went to bed. at 10 i get a call from my boss "we need you to come in to work". so i got my tired dirty ass up, went in, and it started hailing like a mother. the roads turned to crap very quickly, and before we got to do the work we were called in to do, they sent us home because the roads were getting icy/

anyway, this was my first 5 speed too, let alone the 300ft/lbs of torque or RWD. the ass end was sliding all over the damn road. when i pulled into my apartment complex, i almost hit my roommates truck when i turned bc the car just kept sliding. missed it by about 2". needless to say i went straight to bed and didnt drive the car all weekend.

codyss

I thought I have seen every kind of weather living in Nebraska, but snow and hail at the same time DAMN!

helty

did i say hail? i did. sorry, i meant sleet. i didnt mean at the same time. just the same day. it snowed in the morning and turned to sleet by lunch time. what made it so bad was the snow melted as it hit the roads, and when the sleet came it made things really bad. growing up in the north im used to bad weather and roads. but up there they have trucks to plow and spred salt/cinder. down here it only snows once or twice a year so they dont need that stuff. so when the roads do get bad, its every driver for themselves. scary **** down here.

trent_ky

Was just guessing...we are racing as soon as the roads dry up and ill let ya know for sure...

I bought it with 73k in 2004.

1BADSS/SC

Those camaros are in the same class as the Trans Ams with Ram air. The avg on those is like a 1/4mi of like 13.1 or less. As I said, the avg rated times are: 13.1-13.3 with a good driver. U get a crappy driver, or a driver thats got an auto and those times are gonna change. Not only that, but the new engines are running 300hp, as apposed to the previous 260 horses that the earlier models were running. In comparison to a Trans Am, which runs 325 ( I think ) stock vs the 300hp G/T stock, thats a pretty close race. Its all dependant on the transmission type and the driver in this type of race.

fastmofo

not a chance in hell autos run 0-60 in 5.3 compared to manual at 5.1 and run a 13.4 1/4 "auto"

codyss

Back from the dead?

Anyway a 05-06 GT is still unimpressive, I would pay to see a stock auto run a 13.4 better yet do 0-60 in 5.3.

Like the 99-04 GT though all they are good for is the dig launch and 1/4 mile. Mustang GT's just plain suck from a roll or at high speeds.

Even with bolt-on's they looked like my 1993 Z24 vs Cobalt SS/SC from a roll in my Camaro.

Everyone says " Wow a bolt-on 05/06 GT ran 12's " so whats it do after the 1/4?

Answer: Absolutly nothing

ballerSS

I raced a modded '05 GT last summer.

He had CAI, Exhaust and was chipped. He said he's putting down 310hp to the wheels and ran a 12.9 1/4 on slicks.

Anyways, I pulled off the best launch of my life, we were dead even all the way through first. As soon as I spun into second he started pulling - HARD. By the top of second (when we both shut down) he had 2 cars, maybe more on me. After, we both exchanged pleasentries. He said he was impressed with the SS/SC and said "go get those damn neons!"

I would have to say that I AM impressed with the new GTs. My personal goal is to mod the SS/SC to the degree required to consistantly beat stock to mildly modded ones.

I CAN'T WAIT to get STAGE II so that I can really give this guy a surprise. I see him all the time and he's the type who's always looking to run.

CynicX

Yeah I second BallerSS...

When I was running at the track there were 2 05 or 06 Mustang GT's there. The auto ran 13.6 @ 99mph and the manual ran 13.9 or 14.1@ around 98mph...I cant remember exactly since it was so long ago but I purposely remember and watch stock cars in case I run into them on the street.

Oh and the manual didnt run as well because he wasnt a very good driver, I think the car was still fairly new to him in his defence....

jmartinez

i raced a 05 gt auto or manual ????? and i have the instense kit,exhaust,cia, couple poly mounts and 110 pounds removed from my car and we raced from 40 drop and i pulled instanly and everytime when he got to my rear bumper he slowed down 3 times and the same results i guess the man thought he could get me but SS proved him wrong

codyss

The way I see things:

1998-2002 100% Stock Camaro/Firebird LS1 13.4 @ 105 or better all day long

What do new Mustang GT's run again?

trent_ky

My mom and I raced (she has a 05 GT auto) last night and i have a video if someone wants to post it I will email it to them. Its a quicktime vid from my phone. Its not high quality but you can tell that she beat me ever so slightly.

Darksun

um...... yeah if your stock its a fight but it can be done from a roll. Now from a dig.....your owned.

trent_ky

Yes i was owned and we started at a 10mph roll b/c I didnt want to slide into her and she didnt want to slide into me (both have traction issues major...much more extreme on my car). ONce you see the video you will see how close it was...I was (barely) beating her until I got into 4th gear then she started pulling. My god her car did sound damned good rolling by me though. The video kinda sucks cuz cuz my phone only allows 15 seconds but we shut down soon after the phone did.