05 Cobalt SS S/C vs 05 Mustang GT
03-15-2006, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by codyss
And Helty yes Mustangs are good 1/8 and 1/4 performers but thats all.
anyway, there are plenty of late model stangs competing in and doing well in road racing events all over the country. They just dont get near the publicity of NHRA cars. The S197 FR500C beat the **** out of the competition and won the Grand Am Championship in its first year. It may not be a tried and true corner carver off the assembly line, but its far from just a straight line performer. I guess thats where you and I differ cody, stock numbers and performance dont matter much to me. As long as I have a decent starting platform, I like turning it into something more on my own.
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03-16-2006, 10:42 AM
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Like I said before if a car cannot handle I don't care how fast it is. Thats just how I have always been, afterall how often is a car sent down the 1/4 in a given year?
I enjoy driving and there is a big difference through back roads when it comes to Mustang vs F-Body. The 82-02 F-Body has alwas handled better then the Mustang period. The aftermarket GT's (Saleen, Roush and Steeda) are a bit better though.
The new GT is an improvement but compared to the 99-04 GT suspension anything is an improvement. The four link helped with launches but is terrible at holding in corners.
Helty I had a 2003 GT so I cannot say I completely hate Mustangs but when it comes to Mustang vs F-Body there is a big difference in the overall package.
I enjoy driving and there is a big difference through back roads when it comes to Mustang vs F-Body. The 82-02 F-Body has alwas handled better then the Mustang period. The aftermarket GT's (Saleen, Roush and Steeda) are a bit better though.
The new GT is an improvement but compared to the 99-04 GT suspension anything is an improvement. The four link helped with launches but is terrible at holding in corners.
Helty I had a 2003 GT so I cannot say I completely hate Mustangs but when it comes to Mustang vs F-Body there is a big difference in the overall package.
03-16-2006, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by codyss
Helty I had a 2003 GT so I cannot say I completely hate Mustangs but when it comes to Mustang vs F-Body there is a big difference in the overall package.
Where are the LS1s posting a .99g on a skid???
03-16-2006, 01:52 PM
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I know you had an 03, and ive never said the late model GT's are faster or better handling than LS1's. again, you're comparing everything as is stock. Take your old stock LS1 to a real track event and see how it holds up against late model mustangs there. It will have its ass handed to it on a silver platter. I will give you stock everything (except rear axle) because its just not that important to me as long as I have a good starting platform. What I care about is if there is an aftermarket to support what I want to get out of the car.
When I think of road racing, this is what Im thinking about. Watch some of these and tell me how a stock LS1 would fare. This is an old Fox body running circles around F-bodies and other Mustangs.
http://www.maximummotorsports.com/trackvid.asp
When I think of road racing, this is what Im thinking about. Watch some of these and tell me how a stock LS1 would fare. This is an old Fox body running circles around F-bodies and other Mustangs.
http://www.maximummotorsports.com/trackvid.asp
03-16-2006, 02:13 PM
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Can you read 280Z1977?
I was talking about my Camaro SS with the SLP/Bilstein Suspension option.
And Helty I would really hope that modded Mustangs at serious drag events would eat my LS1 since the engine itself is 100% stock.
Quit comparing modded Mustangs to stock LS1's.
I was talking about my Camaro SS with the SLP/Bilstein Suspension option.
And Helty I would really hope that modded Mustangs at serious drag events would eat my LS1 since the engine itself is 100% stock.
Quit comparing modded Mustangs to stock LS1's.
03-16-2006, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by codyss
Can you read 280Z1977?
I was talking about my Camaro SS with the SLP/Bilstein Suspension option.
And Helty I would really hope that modded Mustangs at serious drag events would eat my LS1 since the engine itself is 100% stock.
Quit comparing modded Mustangs to stock LS1's.
I was talking about my Camaro SS with the SLP/Bilstein Suspension option.
And Helty I would really hope that modded Mustangs at serious drag events would eat my LS1 since the engine itself is 100% stock.
Quit comparing modded Mustangs to stock LS1's.
Did your Camaro SS with the SLP/Bilstein Suspension option not come with an LS1???
Once again where is the proof of *read* ANY stock LS1 pulling a .99 on a skidpad?? I consider SLP options stock.
03-16-2006, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 280Z1977
Were you deprived of oxygen as a baby?
Did your Camaro SS with the SLP/Bilstein Suspension option not come with an LS1???
Once again where is the proof of *read* ANY stock LS1 pulling a .99 on a skidpad?? I consider SLP options stock.
Did your Camaro SS with the SLP/Bilstein Suspension option not come with an LS1???
Once again where is the proof of *read* ANY stock LS1 pulling a .99 on a skidpad?? I consider SLP options stock.
I don't think that was a stock option, it's somehting you could buy from SLP. The regular upgraded supension from SLP on the stock SS and Firehawk would not pull .99 on a skid pad.
03-16-2006, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mjf_z28
I don't think that was a stock option, it's somehting you could buy from SLP. The regular upgraded supension from SLP on the stock SS and Firehawk would not pull .99 on a skid pad.
03-16-2006, 05:41 PM
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A real F-Body guy would know that the Camaro SS has had OE SLP options since the LT1 Camaro SS was reborn. They are right on the window sticker and are fully warrantied by GM. They were expensive but I thought it was worth it to keep full warranty.
They included:
- SLP/Bilstein suspension which featured Eibach springs, Bilstein Shocks/Struts with SLP specific valving, 1LE F/R bushings and 1LE panhard bar. It sits 1.25" lower than a standard Camaro SS also
- SLP 5-Spoke ZR1 style wheels in Chrome or Silver finish
- SLP High flow Cat-Back exhaust with dual/dual tips Center outlet dual tips were also available for 2002
- SLP/Auburn Pro series differential
- BFGoodrich Comp T/A ZR tires and G-Force KD in later models
And I guess I was wrong there were only two tests on Camaro's with the SLP suspension. One resulted in a .96 skid pad and the other a .94 so I was a little off but they both had the Goodyear Eagle GS tires also so that made a difference.
They included:
- SLP/Bilstein suspension which featured Eibach springs, Bilstein Shocks/Struts with SLP specific valving, 1LE F/R bushings and 1LE panhard bar. It sits 1.25" lower than a standard Camaro SS also
- SLP 5-Spoke ZR1 style wheels in Chrome or Silver finish
- SLP High flow Cat-Back exhaust with dual/dual tips Center outlet dual tips were also available for 2002
- SLP/Auburn Pro series differential
- BFGoodrich Comp T/A ZR tires and G-Force KD in later models
And I guess I was wrong there were only two tests on Camaro's with the SLP suspension. One resulted in a .96 skid pad and the other a .94 so I was a little off but they both had the Goodyear Eagle GS tires also so that made a difference.
03-16-2006, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by codyss
A real F-Body guy would know that the Camaro SS has had OE SLP options since the LT1 Camaro SS was reborn. They are right on the window sticker and are fully warrantied by GM. They were expensive but I thought it was worth it to keep full warranty.
They included:
- SLP/Bilstein suspension which featured Eibach springs, Bilstein Shocks/Struts with SLP specific valving, 1LE F/R bushings and 1LE panhard bar. It sits 1.25" lower than a standard Camaro SS also
- SLP 5-Spoke ZR1 style wheels in Chrome or Silver finish
- SLP High flow Cat-Back exhaust with dual/dual tips Center outlet dual tips were also available for 2002
- SLP/Auburn Pro series differential
- BFGoodrich Comp T/A ZR tires and G-Force KD in later models
And I guess I was wrong there were only two tests on Camaro's with the SLP suspension. One resulted in a .96 skid pad and the other a .94 so I was a little off but they both had the Goodyear Eagle GS tires also so that made a difference.
They included:
- SLP/Bilstein suspension which featured Eibach springs, Bilstein Shocks/Struts with SLP specific valving, 1LE F/R bushings and 1LE panhard bar. It sits 1.25" lower than a standard Camaro SS also
- SLP 5-Spoke ZR1 style wheels in Chrome or Silver finish
- SLP High flow Cat-Back exhaust with dual/dual tips Center outlet dual tips were also available for 2002
- SLP/Auburn Pro series differential
- BFGoodrich Comp T/A ZR tires and G-Force KD in later models
And I guess I was wrong there were only two tests on Camaro's with the SLP suspension. One resulted in a .96 skid pad and the other a .94 so I was a little off but they both had the Goodyear Eagle GS tires also so that made a difference.
Where did the SS pull a .96? I have seen one article of a Firehawk pulling a .89.
03-17-2006, 10:54 AM
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So since that Firehawk pulled .89 that is the set standard now? The old IROC-Z's could pull that on 80's Gatorbacks. The only parts that are the same SLP suspension vs Standard SS are the lower arms up front and the axle and torque arm in back I would consider that more than just a simple addition.
I know more about F-Bodies than you ever will so why don't you stick to trolling and your other typical BS?
I know more about F-Bodies than you ever will so why don't you stick to trolling and your other typical BS?
03-17-2006, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by codyss
So since that Firehawk pulled .89 that is the set standard now? The old IROC-Z's could pull that on 80's Gatorbacks. The only parts that are the same SLP suspension vs Standard SS are the lower arms up front and the axle and torque arm in back I would consider that more than just a simple addition.
I know more about F-Bodies than you ever will so why don't you stick to trolling and your other typical BS?
I know more about F-Bodies than you ever will so why don't you stick to trolling and your other typical BS?
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Originally Posted by codyss
A real F-Body guy would know that the Camaro SS has had OE SLP options since the LT1 Camaro SS was reborn. They are right on the window sticker and are fully warrantied by GM. They were expensive but I thought it was worth it to keep full warranty.
They included:
- SLP/Bilstein suspension which featured Eibach springs, Bilstein Shocks/Struts with SLP specific valving, 1LE F/R bushings and 1LE panhard bar. It sits 1.25" lower than a standard Camaro SS also
- SLP 5-Spoke ZR1 style wheels in Chrome or Silver finish
- SLP High flow Cat-Back exhaust with dual/dual tips Center outlet dual tips were also available for 2002
- SLP/Auburn Pro series differential
- BFGoodrich Comp T/A ZR tires and G-Force KD in later models
And I guess I was wrong there were only two tests on Camaro's with the SLP suspension. One resulted in a .96 skid pad and the other a .94 so I was a little off but they both had the Goodyear Eagle GS tires also so that made a difference.
They included:
- SLP/Bilstein suspension which featured Eibach springs, Bilstein Shocks/Struts with SLP specific valving, 1LE F/R bushings and 1LE panhard bar. It sits 1.25" lower than a standard Camaro SS also
- SLP 5-Spoke ZR1 style wheels in Chrome or Silver finish
- SLP High flow Cat-Back exhaust with dual/dual tips Center outlet dual tips were also available for 2002
- SLP/Auburn Pro series differential
- BFGoodrich Comp T/A ZR tires and G-Force KD in later models
And I guess I was wrong there were only two tests on Camaro's with the SLP suspension. One resulted in a .96 skid pad and the other a .94 so I was a little off but they both had the Goodyear Eagle GS tires also so that made a difference.
03-22-2006, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by codyss
I also for got that the SLP/Bilstein suspension also included a 35mm front sway bar and a 22mm rear sway bar.
03-22-2006, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Darksun280
Don't O.D
03-22-2006, 08:59 PM
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Also without SLP options...... http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._trans_am_ws6/ -- .84g on the skidpad.
I provided proof Cody, your turn.
Also please don't try to discredit motortrend, if you can't provide proof of your .96g.
Got 'em.
I provided proof Cody, your turn.
Also please don't try to discredit motortrend, if you can't provide proof of your .96g.Got 'em.
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Originally Posted by TXRLU
I've heard 15.3 as the best number for a V-6 Mustang. Of course Mustang owners will tell you that the GTs will run mid 13s. So the Mustang GTs still aren't as quick as the old Camaro SS/WS6 Firebird from a few years ago? I ran into what appeared to be an 03-04 GT convertible once, and he had trouble keeping up with me on the Highway for the most part. I've never been a big fan of the Mustang. I'm not sure how well this current model's design will last since it borrows heavily on the mustangs of the old days. So what stage would be required to have performance numbers better than the GT mustang? Stage I or Stage II?
oh and to the thread starter...the gt is rwd and will have the advantage from the launch because of the extra traction and torque...if you struggle to keep up from a roll when he has more drivetrain power loss than you, you will have a harder time from a dig. It's still not impossible though. Why not try it?
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