bad_bow_tie06

I was in my GTO (which is automatic) i pulled up next to this black camaro ss (which turned out to be a buddy of mine) it was like 1:30 in the morning he's got a six spead hearst stick, we get to the next light and dig it out for about the next 1/2 mile, i beat him on the dig and got about 2 1/2 lengths on him then decided to do a roll starting at 45mph. on the third honk he jumped about a length ahead of me then i blew about 2 lengths past him. then at the next light we pulled on either side of a gt mustang, needless to say we all dug it out on green, i took first with about 2 lengths on the camaro, my friend took second with about 3 on the gt, and when we pulled into the gas station at the next light he pulled in and right back out with out getting out of his car! one more reason GM is better than Ford!!

Mines_Better

we all know that GT's are dogs and from what i have heard, the LT1's kinda are too. does your buddy have any mods on his SS?

t5munoz

I think you are full of it cuz i know my best friend has a z28 with a LT1 in it and he has small bolt ons and he runs a 12.9 at 6000 feet

NinjaHampster

the 6.0 gto's are fast with the LS2. LS2 > LT1 i believe it. good kills man

Mines_Better

the GTO could have some mods...

CobySSSC

Well everything would be all good except...

The fact that the 2000 Camaro SS never had an LT1.

The LT1 was in the 93-97 F-Bodies, the 98-02 F-Bodies has the LS1, which is a totally different and much more powerful motor than the LT1.

In fact, the Gen II LT1 and Gen III LS1 share zero parts or specs in common, except for the cylinder bore spacing.

So basically you raced an '00 LS1 6 speed. You have an extra 55HP, but the GTO also weighs ~300lbs more than an F-Body, which helps even things out a lot.

Good kills though.

teh_punk

i call bs on that. dyno/timeslip or you're lying.

a stock z28 puts about 250-260 to the wheels.. in order for that car which has a curb weight of 3390lbs to achieve that time, it would need to put around 310-320 to the wheels, and I don't forsee that gain from bolt ons. I'm not an LT1 fanatic, but ~60hp from bolt ons? come on.

bad_bow_tie06

Thats what i meant. LS1 not LT1

i second that, there's no way that much hp gain with just a couple bolt ons!!

1fstss

ive seen bolt on LT1's go 12's my cam only Z28 (full boltons) went 12.4

teh_punk

you're telling me you and him got a ~60HP GAIN to the wheels from bolt ons?

edit:
my bad, i forgot to add driver weight.. so now we're up to 3570lbs(180lb driver).. so to achieve that same time with THAT weight, the car would need to put around 330 to the wheels, and ~390 at the crank. Thats a 70-80hp gain to the wheels, and 115hp gain at the crank.. again.. from BOLT ONS?

i'll believe it when i see it.

Shanman

so a gto takes ss camaro buta stg2 balt can hang with gto but can definitally cant hang with camaro im not calling u a liar or anything but i thought thatcamaro ss and trans am had same engineand i could never hang with transam too much torque im guessing ur buddys camaro just has alot of miles on it or ur goat is badass

quickspec

I dont no about a 12 sec bolt-on lt1, its possible I guess, I've seen 13.1 out of a bolt-on lt1 before. Maybe with slicks it might be possible, not sure though.

R&C_rallySS

What does the Trans Am Firehawk WS6 package have in it? I know a guy with time slips, hes running headers, exhaust, intake, mild cam. Those are all bolt ons correct? Hes well into the 12s.

06REDSS/SC

Did you have Traction Control on when you raced from a Dig? Your friend doesn't have a very good Driver Mod does he, because you should not have gotten him by 2 lengths.

quickspec

I believe thats the ls1, those can get into the 12's with bolt-ons. I think they are talking about the lt1.

bad_bow_tie06

yeah i had it on and so did my friend in the SS, no the Goat is bone stock and the SS has GM custom exhaust and suspension.

codyss

Sorry but a LS2 GTO and LS1 F-Body will both walk a Srage 2 SS/SC with ease.

Not to mention unless the Camaro SS has the SLP options it has the same power as a Trans Am or Z28. And the LS1 F-Body is a close race for a LS2 GTO in the 1/4 but the GTO will pull from a roll.


And nothing short of a cam and maybe heads will put a LT1 in the 12's. I had two LT1's and both were fairly modded and seen only mid 13's.

Shanman

[QUOTE=codyss;923339]Sorry but a LS2 GTO and LS1 F-Body will both walk a Srage 2 SS/SC with ease.

oh no i'm talking about the LS1 the LS2 is a badass engine seeing as it is the same one in the vettes

shabodah

You all got to get your info straight, lol.

LS1's with bolton have hit high 11's. Head and came packages have hit high 10's. An F-body with a proper rear end and suspension can out launch about any car you can launch, I've seen plenty of 1.2 60 foot times.

Shanman

yea i jyust kinda got the 5.7 and 6.0 mixed up my bad but yea gonna race a 94 civic hatchback that beat the same gti that i beat, in the same night. and he says all he has is exhaust. i know theyre a light car but damn even if its an si its only pushing 135hp how did that POS looking thing also beat the gti

codyss

The LS1 in an F-Body is just as lethal as the LS2 in the GTO.

In the 1/4 LS1 F-Body vs LS2 GTO can come down to drivers both will run very low 13's and possibly high 12's 100% stock. The LS2 will pull on the LS1 from a roll thogh but what do you expect with a 40whp/40ft.lbs advantage.


And shabodah were talking about near stock F-Bodies here. Of course there are badass modded ones.


It is a shame that neither the LS1 or LS2 gets the real respect they deserve. To many people tend to focus on cars like the STi and EVO. Little do they realize past 50yards or off the curvy race track both the LS1 and LS2 dominate the STi and EVO.

Gloveperson

No. To get into the 12's with an LT1, all you need are some bolt-ons and the ability to drive well (LT, Gears and Tires).

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showth...t-on+Lt1+times

I should know, as I did it with an 94 Z28 years ago. Nowadays, most LT1's are old and beaten on so it is unlikely to run those times.

Depending on the h/c set-up, an LT1 could easily 11's.

The Piston O-rings can be swapped if I'm not mistaken, but no one would ever do that.

Eh, I think it is because the 03/04 Cobra is such a better car to mod and it steals the thunder as a domestic car. Also, the LS series is an engine and the STi/EVO are cars. But no matter, I don't think anyone actually thinks that a stock STi can take a stock LS1 F-body from a roll to a little past the century mark.

Bolt-on EVO IX's have no problem beating up GTO's from a roll (buddy of mine ran a 12.3@114 with TBE and a tune).

codyss

I wouldn't say the 03/04 Cobra stole the thunder, they are the SRT-4 of V8's. They are both so easy to mod that it is no big deal to see a fast one.

It may cost a little more but a lightly modded LS1/LS2 is much more impressive.

Gloveperson

Yea, that's the point

A bolt-on Cobra is so much faster than a bolt-on F-body (350 WHP vs 450 WHP is a *big* difference).

Eddie

dude what are u smoking? bolt on LS1 car will not hit high 11's mid 12's with damn good driver 11's only if car is a gutted ls1 c5 vette thats it.

the question is what do you consider bolt on. bolt ons are considered. Intake, exhaust, throttle body, pullies thats about it nothing else. and on an ls1 that will = around 350whp average. and thats with a tune. that being said will probably run a consistant high 12 w/ good tires and decent driver. you have to get a fairly agressive head and cam package to hit 11's and you already have to update the rear end. cuz the crappy 10 bolt can barily handle the 320whp (average) the car makes stock.

put down the crack pipe and go visit some ls1 forums and you'll see what it takes to hit 11's, it requires a decent head/cam package plus all the bolt ons. or one monstrous cam with all the bolt ons with a damn good tune.