#1stunna

Elementary must have OWNED your soul, did you see what he dynoed at???

8cd03gro

ever heard of drag radials or slicks? cody it doesn't say anything about him being stock when he ran that, maybe you should make sure of that first. and there have been mutliple low 12 sec runs stock, so 11's with slicks would definately be possible.

WOW!!!! gt500 not a muscle car. most ignorant statement i have ever seen. Just because it is forced induction does NOT mean it isn't a muscle car.

but wait dude, cody read in a magazine that the gt500 is overweight, so obviously nothing is nearly as heavy.

#1stunna

Wikipedia FTW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pony_car

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_car

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mustang

Mustangs have never really been considered muscle cars. So who is ignorant???

SS4ME

Thank you! I knew you're info would come in handy. I don't care what anyone says, you bring something. Stop banning him!!!

Now who's ignorant 8cd06gro? Pwned!!!!

STIwannabe

hahaha if i was a mod i would close this....but im not so rock on!!!!

#1stunna

Thanks man.

The only Mustangs that I would consider muscle cars are the mid-late 70s BOATS, they were mid-size cars with big engines and RWD.

8cd03gro

The term muscle car generally describes a rear wheel drive mid-size car with a large, powerful engine (typically, although not universally, a V8 engine) and special trim, intended for maximum torque on the street or in drag racing competition. It is distinguished from sports cars, which were customarily and coincidentally considered smaller, two-seat cars, or GTs, two-seat or 2+2 cars intended for high-speed touring and possibly road racing. High-performance full-size or compact cars are arguably excluded from this category, as are the breed of compact sports coupes inspired by the Ford Mustang, the "pony car".

^^^the s197 is not a compact sport coupe...it is one of the larger coupes on the road.

if you don't think the s197 is mid size, i have no idea what you are comparing it to. the gt500 has a fairly large 5.4 with an eaton blower so the massive power is there, it has a ton of torque, is pretty damned heavy, and is pretty much built for dragging over anything else. The pony cars were more built for handling and agility originally. the gt500 is NOT a pony car. you think the gto is a muscle car, yet the gt500 is not? wow. the two cars are very close in weight, size, and the gt500 has alot more power/torque. Mustang gt= pony car....gt500= muscle car...

omg are you kidding? a mustang II a muscle car? HOLY **** YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

wow, way to make yourself look extremely intelligent. http://secure.hop.com/

you guys just can't accept that the gt500 is a muscle car can you? it is a muscle car by every definition. im not arguing this with you anymore as a car being a muscle car is based too much on opinion to 100% prove your wrong or you prove me wrong. moving on.

codyss

8cd03gro, What the hell is your problem, better yet can some of you read?

Magazine tests are usually BS but are still general ideas of what a car can do. As for weight yes I read that in a magazine I don't have a GT500 available to put on a scale I figure thats one of the things no magazine can inflate or BS about.

The GT500 weighs a little more than 3850lbs, my GTO weighed 3699 with a 1/8 tank of gas and misc. **** on the back seat.

Why is everyone stuck on this weight issue when the don't even know what the hell the cars being compared each weighs?

And I would really like to see a GT500 pull 11's stock

8cd03gro

again nobody said it was stock dude, and a gt500 can run 11's VERY EASILY with light mods or just slicks. and you complained about the gt500 being a pig, when the gto's curb weight is not far off.

http://www.evoperform.com/GT500/video1.wmv

that is with a tune and dr's....

don't call bs on people when you don't even know their mods dude.

SS4ME

That was the point *******!! Who F@#k are you with your LAME ASS V6 Rustang?!

8cd03gro

what was the point? you guys said the srt-8 is a muscle car, but the gt500 isn't..... the srt-8 has four doors...that is NOT a muscle car. the gt500 meets every definition of a muscle car that you could pull out. I would really like to see how the sites you posted proved your point at all. and my lame ass v6 rustang will run right with your car from a dig right now, and come the week of february 20th, will rape the living **** out of your car all motor. i am done with this thread. you just can't prove your point AT ALL, and now you have to resort to making stabs at my car.

#1stunna

Uggg I hate mustangs. I meant early 70s BOATS not mid-late 70s. Make note the GTO was the FIRST muscle car.

Current GTO
Wheelbase, inches 109.8
Overall length, inches 189.8
Body width, inches 72.5
Overall height, inches 54.9
Front track width, inches 62.1
Rear track width, inches 62.1

OG. GTO
Length (in) Width (in) Height (in) Wheelbase (in) TrackF (in) TrackR (in)
203.0.......... 73.3...........53.5............ 115.0............. 58.0............58.0


GT-500
Wheelbase:107.1 in.
Height:54.5 in. (Coupe) / 55.7 (Convertible)
Length:187.6 in.
Width:73.9 in.
Weight:approx. 3,920 lbs. (Coupe)

1974 Mustang II 1965 Mustang 1973 Mustang
Overall Length........175.0".............181.6"........... . 193.8"
Overall Width.......... 70.2"............ 68.2................74.1
Overall Height..........49.9..............51.1............ .....50.7
Wheelbase...............96.2..............108.0 ............ 109.0

2005+ Mustang
Wheelbase (in.) 107.01
Length (in.) 187.6; 188.0 (GT)
Height - empty (in.) 54.4 (Coupe); 55.7 (Convertible)
Width (in.) 73.9
Tread Width - front/rear (in.) 62.8/63.0
62.3 (GT); 62.2/62.1 (Shelby)


Like I meant to say early 70's Mustangs are a bit more muscle carish. Charger(SRT-8)=Muscle car....GTO= Muscle car.... Mustang(inc. GT-500)= Pony car, by definition.

SS4ME

To 8cd06gro,

That is why I spelled your username wrong dingbat. That was my point, you are nobody and you also don't pay attention to facts placed in front of you. You can tell you're a young punk who doesn't know the the differance between a muscle car and a pony car. BTW, why don't subcribe to your own hooked phonics site because I could tear your posts apart ya dochebag!

8cd03gro

seriously now...compare the gt-500 side by side with the gto or the srt-8. the gt500 is nearly just as big as the srt-8, makes more power, and otherwise has almot all the same characteristics. the gto is a bit bigger, but again VERY similar. pony cars are usually much smaller than muscle cars. The s197's are bigger and heavier than the previous mustangs, and the gt500 is FAR more dragging based than the other mustang models. gt=pony car, i agree on that, but where are you seeing the gt500 defined as a pony car....it is based on the SAME FRAME as a MID-SIZED sedan (the lincoln ls)....by your definition on wikipedia this makes it a muscle car. mid-sized, made for dragging, pretty big v8, huge power. I can't see how you don't see this as a muscle car. Just because it has the mustang name does not mean it is necessarily a pony car.

wow.... that is the biggest bs i have ever heard. why did you put you're in bold? just because?

#1stunna

If you want to get down to it, the GT-500, new GTO, and SRT-8 are not muscle cars. So WE (SS and me) go back to the cars' original monikers. Mustang = Pony car, Camaro = Pony car, Challenger=Pony car, GTO= Muscle car, Charger= Muscle car.

SS4ME

Did you forget the link you sent me already? I checked my post and that is the only error I can see, other then your username I misspelled purposely. Why don't you acted like Ford and attach an anchor around your neck and dissappear?

8cd03gro

ok you are right about that, they are not nearly what a muscle car used to be, but they are kind of modern muscle cars(closest thing to muscle cars right now). If you say the srt-8 charger IS a muscle car, there is no reason for a gt500 to not be.

dude what are you rambling about? If you think typing 8cd06gro would actually be offensive or ANYONE would understand that you did that as a represntation of the opinion that i am a "nobody" you are dumber than i thought. I think you just messed up and you are back pedaling like crazy and can't think of anything else to say. Now the thing about you bolding "you're" I think you thought i misused your in the post of mine that was previous to yours, but in fact i did not.

#1stunna

Except that Chargers were Muscle cars and Mustangs were Pony cars.

8cd03gro

so just because the new chargers have the same name as the old ones, they are muscle cars and the gt500 isn't? so if they named a doge caravan the dodge charger, you would consider it a muscle car?

SS4ME

Once again I will post this quote of yours. Did you respond to me misspelling you're in post #229 by using this remark/link to be cute or are you an A-Hole all of the time? This post BTW was directed to #1stunna, I didn't direct towards you.

#1stunna

No, hence why I said, "If you want to get down to it, the GT-500, new GTO, and SRT-8 are not muscle cars.".

BUT... The new Chargers more closely resemble Muscle cars of the past compared to the GT-500 and even the GTO. They had 4 door Muscle cars in the past.

#1stunna

You guys are confusing me.

8cd03gro what does your name mean, anyways???

8cd03gro

i still don't see how it more closely resembles muscle cars of the past other than the fact it has a higher displacement motor, but whatever, this is an argument that will never end.

i have no clue what ss is talking about, he seems to just be pulling **** out of his ass. my name is my school login from last year. I found a loop hole in the schools security system. You can't log onto anything like forums, or AIM because of some kind of blockers on the school systems, so i used my school log in name and it got past. this was from last year or two years ago, it is different now, but it still works at school.

no i did that because you got my username wrong, which obviously was a mistake. I was just being an ******* because you were being an ass to me. There is no way in hell you did that to try to insult me, just admit it was a mistake, don't pull the "i did it on purpose" bull. I don't even want to argue with you anymore, you seem to take every post totally differently than anyone else and it is just turning into rambling.

#1stunna

New Charger
Wheelbase [in] 120.0
Overall Length [in] 200.1
Ground Clearance 5.1
Track - Front [in] 63.0
Track - Rear [in] 63.1
Overall Width [in] 74.5

Original Charger
And "every inch a Coronet" also meant that the Charger was pretty big. At 203.6 inches long it was a full 22 inches longer than a '66 Mustang and 3.5 inches longer than the four-door 2K6 Charger. The first Charger's 117-inch wheelbase was relatively long for the era in which it was designed, though it seems modest by 21st-century standards when engineers try to shove the wheels out to a car's corners (the 2K6 Charger's wheelbase is 120 inches).

New Mustang
GT-500
Wheelbase:107.1 in.
Height:54.5 in. (Coupe) / 55.7 (Convertible)
Length:187.6 in.
Width:73.9 in.
Weight:approx. 3,920 lbs. (Coupe)

Old Mustang
Overall Length..181.6".
Overall Width.. 68.2
Overall Height..51.1
Wheelbase..108.0

FIRST MUSCLE CAR
OG. GTO
Length (in) Width (in) Height (in) Wheelbase (in) TrackF (in) TrackR (in)



See now????
203.0.......... 73.3...........53.5............ 115.0............. 58.0............58.0

SS4ME

Okay man. If that was your way of jabbing at me for a misspell, more power to you. I'll make sure I post your link each time you misspell.