06 ss/sc vs turbo celica
11-12-2006, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by evolve
if i didn't know anything about the 7th gens i would believe that. just because the GT has lower compression than the GT-S doesn't mean that it's easier to boost. The GT has a weak engine. @ 9 psi you might be pushing a lil over 200whp but around 300 whp you will have problems!!! a GT-S @ 6 pushing around 250 and can handle 400whp+ on stock internals. point: GT-S has stronger internals and can take the abuse!!!
http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_celica_gts.html
check this one out.. and yes it still have the 11.5:1 compression ratio...
http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_celica_gts.html
check this one out.. and yes it still have the 11.5:1 compression ratio...
Not to be rude but that is false information, both motors internals are weak, they can only handle about 11psi on STOCK internals, and thats pushing it, so how can it make 400whp on stock internals bro, please show me one celica gt-s on newcelica.org pushing 400whp on stock internals, you wont.
11-12-2006, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bluecobaltss06
I raced an older celica that was turbo charged. the older body style that resembled a ford probe, ya know what i mean? I was kinda dissapointed by the power it made. He couldn't have been pushing much boost tho the waste gate started screaming as soon as he hit the gas. needless to say I won, but it was fun
Are you sure it was the wastegate?
(hint hint, they dont "scream")
11-12-2006, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Shortbus
Not to be rude but that is false information, both motors internals are weak, they can only handle about 11psi on STOCK internals, and thats pushing it, so how can it make 400whp on stock internals bro, please show me one celica gt-s on newcelica.org pushing 400whp on stock internals, you wont.
11-12-2006, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Shortbus
Not to be rude but that is false information, both motors internals are weak, they can only handle about 11psi on STOCK internals, and thats pushing it, so how can it make 400whp on stock internals bro, please show me one celica gt-s on newcelica.org pushing 400whp on stock internals, you wont.
11-12-2006, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by celicaGT-ST
um... there's the link.. check it out. they boosted to 16psi on 11.5:1 compression and got 412whp out of it. MWR is also on newcelica and posted up about thier shop gts. it's not in the dyno list because they are a shop.
Very intresting.
11-12-2006, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 8cd03gro
i disagree...if that turbo kit is done right that si will be deadly and put down far more than 230fwhp, probably around 260+
11-12-2006, 08:01 PM
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hahaha yeah i can see that!! I mean even Greddy is claiming 25%... Usually aftermarket companies inflate #'s. So really 25% could in reality be like 20%.
But nonetheless a K20 motor = highcompression. They cant handle boost very well.
But for a bolt on, its alot of power, but its alot of money for still being burn by uswith minor modds!! muahahah cant wait to line up next summer!
But nonetheless a K20 motor = highcompression. They cant handle boost very well.
But for a bolt on, its alot of power, but its alot of money for still being burn by uswith minor modds!! muahahah cant wait to line up next summer!
11-12-2006, 09:25 PM
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if u want to see how Si's stand up to SS/SCs search for civic si vs. cobalt ss/sc
its a video of me racing my brothers 06 si....and he's actually a better driver than me
its a video of me racing my brothers 06 si....and he's actually a better driver than me
11-12-2006, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by martinsmu
But nonetheless a K20 motor = highcompression. They cant handle boost very well.
560whp 392ft/lbs @ 26psi STOCK MOTOR
11-12-2006, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by god+1
hey britney spears is really an alien that is going to infest america!!!
11-12-2006, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sethallen
wow i feel sorry for anyone that believes everything he reads on the internet
hey britney spears is really an alien that is going to infest america!!!
hey britney spears is really an alien that is going to infest america!!!
and hey you are not funny.
11-12-2006, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sethallen
oh im sorry i forgot i was trying to amuse you
send me a self addressed and stamped envelope for a full refund
send me a self addressed and stamped envelope for a full refund
you opened your mouth when you shouldn't have, just admit it and let things go
11-12-2006, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sethallen
hey have fun fighting with people online, i'm gonna block you so i don't have to put up with your bullshit anymore
Originally Posted by sethallen
martin there will always be Si fanbois that are ******* oblivious to the truths of modding cars
you just have to get used to it
you just have to get used to it
to quote mark twain, "it is better to look like a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"----
11-12-2006, 10:44 PM
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wow troll + 1 is annoying. I'll make sure tu video tape me owning this SI turbo next spring and send u a copy for your birthday!!
Unless he wants to open motor, he's going to loose.
He can pass me, but that woud mean pushing more boost than his car can "safely" handle.
Now i know its hard for you honda boys to imagine this, but honda motors do blow just like any other motor
Unless he wants to open motor, he's going to loose.
He can pass me, but that woud mean pushing more boost than his car can "safely" handle.
Now i know its hard for you honda boys to imagine this, but honda motors do blow just like any other motor
11-12-2006, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by martinsmu
wow troll + 1 is annoying. I'll make sure tu video tape me owning this SI turbo next spring and send u a copy for your birthday!!
Unless he wants to open motor, he's going to loose.
He can pass me, but that woud mean pushing more boost than his car can "safely" handle.
Now i know its hard for you honda boys to imagine this, but honda motors do blow just like any other motor
Unless he wants to open motor, he's going to loose.
He can pass me, but that woud mean pushing more boost than his car can "safely" handle.
Now i know its hard for you honda boys to imagine this, but honda motors do blow just like any other motor
And when has anyone said Honda motors don't blow???
11-12-2006, 11:32 PM
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Well then why does Greddy only offer a lowboost option for the new SI = 230whp if it could really handle 562 whp? wouldnt it be a better ideal to have at least a 300whp option from Greddy??
11-12-2006, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by martinsmu
Well then why does Greddy only offer a lowboost option for the new SI = 230whp if it could really handle 562 whp? wouldnt it be a better ideal to have at least a 300whp option from Greddy??
Show me any company that sells a bolt on turbo kit for an NA 4cyl that makes 300whp???
11-13-2006, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by god+1
lol please dont use that as a reference, it is on high octane race fuel and the guy even said he is waiting for it to pop because he knows it is going to.
11-13-2006, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 8cd03gro
lol please dont use that as a reference, it is on high octane race fuel and the guy even said he is waiting for it to pop because he knows it is going to.
does it matter what fuel was used?????I know people that drive methanol fueled cars around town.
11-13-2006, 01:39 PM
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Jesus Christ you're on a cobalt forum arguing about how great the vaunted VTec motor is. Congrats on being a Vtec rube with the 80 gazillion others out there. The Si is a car that was sweet like a decade ago, and they have done nothing worthwhile to improve them. I'll consider honda/acura valid competition when they actually come out with a car that's better than 15.5 stock. 22k + 5k for a turbo = way too much money for not nearly enough torque.
11-13-2006, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by vtecduster
Jesus Christ you're on a cobalt forum arguing about how great the vaunted VTec motor is. Congrats on being a Vtec rube with the 80 gazillion others out there. The Si is a car that was sweet like a decade ago, and they have done nothing worthwhile to improve them. I'll consider honda/acura valid competition when they actually come out with a car that's better than 15.5 stock. 22k + 5k for a turbo = way too much money for not nearly enough torque.
NSX faster than 15.5 stock...
S2000 faster than 15.5 stock...
Acura TL faster than 15.5 stock...
All 3 can run with or beat a stock SS/SC
RSX type-S faster than 15.5 stock...
Integra type-R faster than 15.5 stock...
Honda Civic SI faster than 15.5 stock...
Integra GSR faster than 15.5 stock...
ALL NATURALLY ASPIRATED. Funny how when someone defends a car to someone that doesn't respect it or know anything about it, they are flamed and labeled a "Vtec rube" among other things. Educate yourself and it will change your opinion.