06SS ALL DAY

ok so i raced my good friends si k20 with intake/header-cat-back... i have a stage 2 3.1 pulley 50% boost reduction etc.. well when he had just cat-back/intake and i was TOTALLY stock. i could walk away by the time i hit 3rd gear from a dig. otherwise he'd be next to me until than. he got his header and i finally got my stage 2... well i raced him last night 3-4 times. he won every time except once. and he was ahead by a car until i hit 4th... and thats when i would pass him. but i WOULDNT reel him in until the top of 3rd... my friend Ish also a member on this lovely site is a GM stage 2 i think with a 2.9 pulley... he couldnt beat him either unless it was a little longer than a quarter mile... now i raced my friends stock SRT4 and beat him... so tell me how i can beat an SRT-4 and not a civic si... are you telling me that same civic can beat the srt4? i dont need a driver mod either. i dont spin coming off the line AT ALL cause of the 50% boost reduction. and no wheel hop... nothing. is there anything else done to this civic or are those k20's just that insane that a header will change the outcome of a race THAT much from me beating him when i was stock... i get a full stage 2 all he gets is a header and now can own me in a ¼?

06CobaltssOrange

this is wierd since a stock ss/sc should beat a si much harder then what you said the damn things have no torque. throw that motor in a hatch with no interior and your in like low 11's i believe

MARIN007

I was dead even with a new civic si coupe on the highway in my 2.4 Cobalt with intake+exhaust (168whp 165wtq). I believe I would've been very slowly walked by a stock SS/SC so I could see how this would be a drivers race between the si and the sc.

But this topic has been beaten to death and I believe the end result was the following:

SS/SC > Civic Si (SC should win)
2.4SS = Civic Si (drivers race)

Staged07SS

iTrader: (25)

there is no way a civic si with just bolt ons will take a stage 2 balt like that .... something isn't right with this picture. do you have just stage 2 with no other add ons like a intake, header, or exhaust ?? I could see it maybe being close if you are just stage 2 with a fully bolted si, but you should have still beat him no matter what ....

SS4ME

I raced a guy last fall with that set-up and we were both pulling 14.2s. With k-pro the si is a high 13 second car with those mods. Either your driving is suspect or your tune sucks.

restonSS

yeahhhh, something isnt right at all. stage 2 shouldnt lose at alllll

06SS ALL DAY

a roll i OWN a dig i can't get him by the end of the ¼. even if my tune sucks. my friend Ish has a GM stage 2 and loses the same way by the end of the ¼ he loses by half car. just as if i was racing him. now if i race Ish (GM stage 2) off the line he is next to me, by the time he is out of second he has a half car on me. you guys follow? how can Ish beat me like that and lose to the SI like that... but as i say again this is where i get confused. how come the SI can hold its ground up to 90 mph... however if we do a 40 roll... i RAPE the SI. i'm so confused i'm like shouldnt the SI hang with me until 90-100 just like from a dig. but he doesnt even stay with my for 4 seconds... and i leave the line at the same time as the SI. i'm not late or anything. he is a REALLY good driver though in the SI i tell him that all the time. like when i first raced the si with my stage 2... Ish was SCREAMING HONDATA!!! bullshit thats not just a header you have HONDATA you HAVE TO HAVE IT! now i'm beginning to believe it. an untune i/h/e vs a can tuned stage 2 balt... w/ a good driver also. as i said no spin and no wheel hop.

SS4ME

Something is fishy. If anything you should be ripping him off the line and he should start reeling you in once vtec starts really kicking in. When I raced the guy at the track, we were both cracking 14.2s. My trap was 98-99 his was 100 mph. My reaction time owned his so I won each time we raced!

Staged07SS

iTrader: (25)

yeah man something isnt right .... he must be tuned. a stage 2 balt has soo much more torque and power over a civic si. either he is that good of a driver or he is hiding that he has a tune. although you and your buddy should still be beating him .... a stage 2 balt is easily a high 13 sec car if you can get it to hook up.

PhantomSS

my 2.8 setup would rape that setup off the line and still pull after.

SS4ME

You say you have stage 2 with 50% boost reduction. Is it GM stage 2? I'm assuming not since I've never heard of boost reduction on GM stage 2.

06SS ALL DAY

i concur with Phantom 100% but yea he is a very good driver. but civic si with i/h/e shouldnt be running against any stage 2 balt. especially a 2.9 w/ a good driver. my exact mods are probably what your thinking 3.1 pulley/42 injectors/pcm/K&N drop in. oh HOLD ON that reminded me. the SI does not have an intake. It's a K&N drop in air filter... just to make it like wtf is done to the civic lol. so a civic with h/e to be EXACT. that totally passed my mind sorry guys. its just impossible i'm sorry. my launches are near perfect and WOT all day after that. he also had a passenger. you know what i think he is uploading the video of it tonight also on youtube. he is going to call me when he does it so i can have the title and everything to look for it. theres 3 videos of me and him and i THINK 2 of Ish the GM stage 2... i have the silver balt Ish is the red with low rise... i'm texting the si guy right now to know when exactly

No Ish is a GM stage 2... i built my stage 2 from ZZP.... 3.1,pcm,k&N,injectors...

i requested the 50% boost reduction 1st gear so i have perfect launches aka no wheel hop and tire spin. save my rubber and axles lol. and it works PERFECT for me at least. i'm only pushing 14.5-15.00 boost.

Staged07SS

iTrader: (25)

the si also had a passenger with him ?!? lets look at somethings .... a stock si has 197 bhp and 139 lb-ft torque with a curb weight of 2860 or so lbs. a bolted si would maybe have around 210-215 bhp and maybe 150 lb-ft torque from the listed mods. a stage 2 balt has 241 bhp and 218 lb-ft torque and weighs in at about 2930 lbs. there is no way he should be pulling on you for so long or even beating you for that matter unless he has that damn k-pro tune. Si's just don't have the power or torque to take out a stage 2 balt and deff not a stage 2 (2.9 pullied) balt. i wish i could figure out whats wrong with this picture man ....

06SS ALL DAY

4 DOOR also staged07SS thats 100 more lbs than the 2 dr or 200 more pounds idk

SS4ME

Got it. Go to the track and see what type of numbers you get and go from there.

06SS ALL DAY

will do. i am waiting for a good day. everyone goes to this track called Atco but i've heard they love snapping axles and cobalts are number 1 there lol. so i'm trying to go to E-town aka Englishtown. i missed pinks all out when they were there .

PhantomSS

50% reduction only works with 1st (and 2nd if you use it)not all the gears.

he has a bottle on there buddy. Just wait 3 months and let it blow up.

06SS ALL DAY

oh yea when you guys see the vids... if you hear squealing lol thats my brake pad sensor... omg all night i had to listen to my music all loud when driving around... but Job For A Cowboy is a damn good band to listen too lol. HXC FTW!!

SS4ME

You may think you have the launch down pat but the track may help you learn some tricks if you get enough runs in. Maybe you don't need 50% boost reduction in 1st since you boost levels are pretty moddest.

SLoW SHO

Haha! You guys are all so completely clueless!

But the Civic has no torque! Hahaha I love ignorance

06SS ALL DAY

i gotcha dood. i'm thinking of buying a 2.9 pulley this thursday. i promised my girl no more money will be spent on my car BUTTT technically i'm spending the money on my Supercharger...

please SloW SHO i opened this thread for everyone's comments... explain

Staged07SS

iTrader: (25)

i agree with you .... he has something that is giving him the power to over take a stage 2 balt ....

SS4ME

Funny thing coming from the dumbest guy on .net.

elecblue06

iTrader: (1)

with a tune i could see this happening or with a bit of nitrous... a header / exhaust si should be low 14s you should be mid 13's

SS4ME

He won't, SloW is not very bright.