sethallen

delta....where at in MI are u?

unclesid

hey delta....did u end up comin to the meet at dave and busters a couple months back??

IonFeright

Like some of these guys have said he must have been a bad driver. Even with having no torque that Si shouldve taken you no problem. I would reccoment test driving one just to feel their power. Now Im not a civic fan but those Si's are ******* bad ass!!! I test drove onbe last year because my gf was looking at them and I was impressed. And from the sound of things he isnt stock either.....

Delta2.2

nah i was busy. i go to other meets now. theres a OU meet and a friday night woodward meet. there is also a BW3 meet on wenseday that i may go to later on in the year its just the same day as the OU meet.

OK IM SICK OF THIS. I WAS NECK AND NECK WITH THIS GUY. and he didnt suck at driving. he was just as good as me and im a great driver imo.

if u think im wrong then dammit get over it. Honda's Vtec isnt that great. its old technology in a sence. the 2.4 VVT is better then the Vtec. but even my 2.2 can keep up neck and neck with the damn Si.

again the Si may have 197 hp BUT its only got 137 trq. my cars got 145 hp and 155 trq. not to mention the fact my engines underated AND i have an intake and exhaust.

so dont think im lieing. ur all like "i highly doubt that, it was a bad driver, etc"

2.2 FTMFW B***hes

an0malous

no one is doubting you got the win bro.
but the numbers dont lie.

Simple fact is, the SI with a good driver, can hit mid 14s.

Like i said earlier. you drove well. he didnt.

N/ADC5

I believe he was right beside you. Go to the track, and that will tell us your driving skills and his if you think he is your equal.

Just as an extreme example of what you are talking about...

If torque wins the race, then you had better not worry about the bikes, they have none.
Just worry about the cummins and power strokes.

Don't take this the wrong way, but v-tec is pretty neat.
My 2.0L is making 10-15whp less than ss/sc's on the same dyno with stg.2,intake,exhaust, modded header.
They are both 2.0L's. It's not forced induction, but it's great for n/a.
All I have is cams from an 05 rsx, intake manifold from 06 si, and bolt-ons like intake/exhaust and header.

Consider that the si has the same parts as me minus the bolt-ons. He was not a true representation of the car, and it happens. Alot of the srt-4 guys get flack when they first get it, because they are newbs and they suck. The car is fast, just have to learn.

I'm no fanboy. I love the ss/sc cobalt. The sound is awesome, and they are quite quick stock.
They are faster than the si stock, no doubt.

Brandon97Z

iTrader: (1)

With him have 50+hp don't you think he shoulda pulled away once the rpm's started climbing? Its a good run by you kudos but don't expect that to happen every time you race an SI

IonFeright

How could you possibly know that he didnt screw up while you guys were racing. He could be short shifting and not even know it.....

Dont get all bent out of shape. A modded Si with a decent driver should take a 2.2L ecotec. Numbers arent everything anyways. When I test drove the SI I couldnt even feel the loss of torque. I have intake, exhaust, header, DP, and Nitrous on my 2.2 and Im still not sure how I would do against a modded Si. He could have lowered the v-tak. That would give him a much larger powerband. Plus he probably had LSD.

avro206

theres a reason why the 2.2L Cobalt was not in Car And Drivers fastet cars under 20K---its just not fast enough.

Honda Accord 4cyl 5 speed and Civic 18L made the cut. 148hp and similar weight is not faster then 197hp and similar weight. Its plain old physics.

IonNinja

Si's are slow.

/end thread

koonce727

you must have read other threads than me. Im sticking with my numbers 14.5-14.9 most are in the higher 14s, ill give you that. The bad/new drivers are in the low 15s. But some have hit the low 14s(great drivers, good track conditions).
If you want to call me full of **** thats fine. Ive seen them run and saw the timeslips.
I still thought the Si won, but only slighly pulled. whats this 2.2 beating the Si end of story ****.(shitty si driver still beats geat 2.2 driver) Good call on that one tho

07_Si

The shift points are what make me think that the Si driver wasn't a good driver.

the shift to 3rd should not happen until around 60mph

he definatly should not have shifted to 4th until 80mph

If he is shifting below the redline then he'll fall out of the higher cam profile, and there is a huge drop in power there, which would slow him down.

The minimal wheel spin might also mean that he had VSA (traction control) on, which on the high reving engine in the Si would really slow it down at the start.

an0malous

Show me 1. besides that guy over there that even your own honda members call full of ****.

we all know about mr 14.2 when everyone else is running 14.5+

trust me. if some guy came on here saying he ran a 13.8 stock. he would be called out as a bullshitter.

koonce727

There are actually a few guys now runnin 14.2s,, one does have a CAI. Ive also found/ and see at the strip guys running 14.3s and 14.4s with i/e. Could be track conditions, because the best numbers seem to come from a only a few tracks.
I personally believe it takes a good driver to pull decent times with this engine. I say this because there is a guy that just came back from the track and ran a 16.4 then a 15.3 with his si. So yes not all can pull decent numbers but some can.


Yes a few people called bs. But there were a good number of members from our site that were at the strip with him and SAW him run that time. So there is no bs on his time.

an0malous

Please go back to your honda site.
And refrain from linking threads from over here that usually just end up in stupid flamewars with people who make accounts just to rant.

This is the stuff you want to read. so go back and read it.

Claudia SS

stock b16b's are weaksuase.

LOL @ stickers on your car. ******* ricer.

07_Si

are you talking about the honda? b16s are the 99-00 si, the 06+ is the k20z3, a much better engine

06Si

Come race me...he didn't know how to drive or you're just full of B.S. My stock whp is 15 more than yours at the crank. Car weight is the same. He shifted WAY early. The Si will redline at 82 mph in 3rd, 114 in 4th. 6th gear never comes into play because it's useless for any gains because of the gear ratio and much less torque. Come back with a S/C coupe and you will have a very good chance....here's what it will look like with an Si and a S/C coupe....go park that 2.2 cause I call B.S.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tgvAUX8DliY

an0malous

and here they come.

I hope you two....and any more of you who have been tempted to register just to stir the pot have a good read.


Hope more of you are cool like this guy. and dont troll over here like this koonce wanker.

07_Si

I seriously doubt he is BSing the story.

The cobalt has a little more torque, and is slightly lighter, plus the Si is a PITA to launch correctly, and it sounds like the Si driver launched at too low of an RPM or has TCS on, so going off the line even is definatly believable.

If he was short shifting as stated then he would be hitting the dip in power right before the changeover, this means that he is losing about 20 hp, and 15 ft-lbs torque, which would definatly be enough to slow the car down.

Jackalope

WOW! I thought sure this was gonna be a couple SI guys flaming a 2.2 owner. Boy was I wrong. Very cool outlook dude! Sounds like I may be qwicker to call BS on this story then you are!

Your SI's are no JOKE! they're kwik cars and as an owner of a 2.4 SS I can say the few I've beeten didn't go down easily! Had Honda come out with the SI sedan before I got my Cobalt I'd DEFINENTLY have checked it out. Torque or not they're nice cars!

R&C_rallySS

Not only could he not drive but he has no filter on his CAI? What a moron. At that rate he will have to change his oil every 100miles. Maybe he will suck a bird into the intake lol.

Jackalope

Or a paper cup! Very bad idea to run with no air filter!

R&C_rallySS

That SS/SC must not know how to drive either. I ran 14.2 @100mph stock. There is no way a Si would have a chance. I would even let the Si have CAI, header, and exhaust and me being stock would still destroy you. Now that I have little over a grand into me car I'm running mid 13s @ 108, no si is near that with bolt ons.

monkeiboy

Is this guy for real? I NEVER would have expected a Honda SI driver to get on here and say stuff like this. It's almost surreal.