TexasTieaga

Okay, so I'm on my way to my friends house to drop off something last night and I'm doing about 65 on the feeder (no cops out there) when I notice distinctive blue headlights that come from knock off HID's that just shine blue. Usually a sign of a Honda (no offense to the non-ricers on here). But these headlights are aproaching me fast as hell. Okay, Civic on a ricer flyby... so I throw it into 3rd so I can see the Honda step in front of me for a few seconds and then watch me burn up the small lead he had and let him know I'm out of his league. But it's no Honda, it's the previous gen Monte Carlo SS (the one before the new ones). But I'm hanging on this guys bumper and actually keeping up with him, and then when I hit around 97 I start pulling on him, but my govenor shuts off at 105 so I couldn't finish what was started. Me thinking it was a regular MC I say to my self well done Tieaga. But at the light I see the distinctive 2 red S's, black body, silver skirt, and stock duel exhaust petruding out the back... I didn't believe my eyes. Not knowing anything about that gen of MC/SS I follow behind him until we get to the next light and we're both in front. With no cars in site I rev my engine preparing to launch at a modest 2 grand, then as the light turned yellow I kicked it up to 2500 rpm. The light turns green and with both cars throwing a little rubber back we're off, my launch was damn near perfect woth my 225's but he gets the jump on me and immediately starts pulling hard... I'm thinking, damn, I don't stand a chance against this machine... I drop 2nd at 6000 rpm and jump on him this time and start pulling. I got him all the way to the back door and shifted to 3rd at about 6300 rpm, again I push him back to my bumper then just before I let off the gas at around 80, I see him drop back as to say I surrender, because the race was indeed over. We went around a moderate sweeping bend and then he blasted off into the night and I returned to my usual cruising speed of 5 over the limit. That made me feel good inside. Does anyone know about that particular MC/SS??? I want to know what the hell I raced.

Cobalt443

It's got a 3.8 V6 rated at 200 hp......I believe they run mid to low 15's...someone correct me if I am wrong

alleycat58

200hp N/A 3800. Don't know what his problem was, he should have had you by carlengths unless it was a "fake" SS. They're heavier than the Cobalt, but not by that much to make up for a 50hp difference in power. I've seen that same motor in an Impala and it's a close race with the 2.4 Cobalt, he should have had you no problem.

alleycat58

Nope, you hit the nail right on the head, Debbie.

EvlPeanut

2005 & 2004 SS
3.8L V6 Supercharged
240 hp @ 5200 rpm
280 ft-lb @ 3600 rpm

2003, 02, 01 SS
3.8L V6
200 hp @ 5200 rpm
225 ft-lb @ 4000 rpm

didn't feel like looking back any further. I'm assuming it was one of these years.

Cobalt443

lol..I was hoping so. My mother drives a 2001 but I wasn't sure of the exact specs.

alleycat58

The N/A 3800 was also offered in 04 as well, they had 2 SS's for one year then went to Supercharged only.

TexasTieaga

Damn, I really got to get this car to the track so I know what the hell I can REALLY do with a vehicle. The 225 lb-ft explains the incredible amount of pull he had on me from the jump. My gearing must have been better to over come his extra 50 hp though. What do those things way??? Being as base model as you can get i way a scant 2800 lbs give or take a lil.

Cobalt443

Not sure of the exact weight, but when I had my base 2.2 I ran a best of 16.5 with a full tank in decently cool weather. Mine was an auto, so I'm sure with yours being a stick, it would be a bit quicker

Codyak Supercharged

is this whp? or engine. I believe the mc's are automatic...but i could be wrong...resultiing in a loss of hp over manual

BlackedOutCoby

You people on this board crack me up so much. When will you learn that just cause something has alot of HP doesnt mean its a faster car. Gearing, weight, torque all have alot to do with speed as well. Maybe your like a honda with 200hp and 120tq, sure on teh top end highway speeds your real fast but in lower gears you got nothing. Or in the case of the year model Monte Carlo that hes talking about, They came with 200hp, 170lb/ft I believe. Of course its a older generation of V6 which is gonna kill its acceleration. It has alot of power but its for a very very short RPM range. Like from 4000 - 5000 only and the rest of the time its way down in the 120hp range. If you ever see a Dyno from one of these you will understand. Compared to a LS Cobalt 2.2 engine that starts making around 120whp at 4000rpm and has a steady climb with no drop off all teh way up and probably past the rev limiter. One of the Gm technicians here told me that they have set the limiter on a 2.2 to 7500 and seen it make power all teh way up to 6900rpm's before falling off. He said they were seeing 161whp at 6900rpm.

Cobalt443

I must have missed the part where someone said that he couldn't have did what he did....possibly you could point that out for me....he asked for facts, he's getting them nicely, don't come in and stir the pot

cawpin

BlackedOutCoby - Go troll somewhere else please. Thank you.

halfj99

2.2's ftw!

TexasTieaga

I have looked at the dyno charts for a stock 2.2 and looked at the power ratings at rpm. that's how I choose my shift points; in order to maximize the performance of the vehicle... in my eyes though, I still need ALOT of work. BlackedOutCoby came with some interesting info but I don't like the way he delivered it. The last thing I want is for this thread to be trashed. So, anybody with some weight numbers???

8cd03gro

the new monte ss's are about 3400 lbs, and the previous model were about the same. i don't know about their gearing, but the previous gen ss's were not too fast...high 15's i beleive...the new ones with the ummm 5.3L i beleive (not sure) is quick tho, runs something like mid-low 14's.

jercho73

Since the MC SS came back to Chevys lineup, they had the following, all are about 3400-3500 lbs-

2000-2004-n/a 3.8 v6 200 hp/225 tq, 4sp auto, high 15 low 16
2004-2005-s/c 3.8 v6 240hp/280 tq, 4sp auto, low 15's
2006-current-n/a 5.3 v8-303 hp/323 tq, 5sp auto, low 14's

So basically i could see a 2.2 taking a n/a 3.8 one, but not one of the others.

Xander9988

The old gen monte carlo's were all first gear, they ran out of breath in 2nd and 3rd didn't really exist. Even the supercharged ones weren't that quick unless you put some money into them. I used to own a MC and my brothers new ION 2.2 is just as fast if not faster.

chevyracing19

Are they really 5 speed auto's? I coulda swore they still have a 4 speed in there?

jercho73

Huh...maybe it is still a 4, dunno. I assumed it was a 5 sp auto because it's supposed to be in direct competition with the Mustangs, which do have 5 sp autos. But maybe it is 4...that blows, hurts any performance alot.

joeworkstoohard

with an engine that large... i'd think that a 4 speed vs 5 speed would be a moot point.

avro206

Sorry but Monte Carlos have never been a direct competitor of a Mustang! ROFL

One is Pony car the other is a large 2 dr cruiser. Not real fast, not great at corners but nice to cruise comfortabley in. Only similarites with a MUstang is that they both have 2 doors

And GM has never had a 5 speed auto in a FWD car. Monte Carlos had 4 speeds and still do.

jercho73

I'd say this Monte SS is, since it's a v8 with similier hp/tq numbers, and since the Camaro is out of the lineup. Obviously when the Camaro is around again, when it was before, it is Chevy's competitor to the Mustang. Of course being FWD doesn't scream performance to many, so you do have a point.

avro206

I could have posted my thoughs a little better---you have a point as well. While the Camaro is out of the lineup---I would say almost all Camaro owners would not buy the Monte as a repelacement. It can't fill the Camaros misison.

When I mean direct competitor: The guys who are in charge of the Mustang program don't sit down and analyse the Monte Carlo---they do not consider it competition for most buyers. They ignore it. Whent he Camaro was around they paid close attention to it.

And same thing with the Monte Carlo guys.

BUT when shopping for a car--an individual consumer can compare any two cars and consider them competiton for them and for their money. So you are certainly correct if you look at it that way.

avro206

Well may have low 15 sec time slips from a 5 speed 2.4L SS.

Too bad you did not run your old Regal down the track instaed of guessing.