celicacobalt

what would the outcome be?

Alex47

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celicacobalt

u not sure either? i think it would be close. celica = 180hp 130 tq and the ss is 171hp and 162 tq i think

stic5

I would guess that it would be very close, but I'd give a slight edge to the 2.4L SS.

celicacobalt

thats what i was thinking too, what about a auto ss verse a 6 speed gt-s?

codyss

I think any way you slice it the SS will win. The Celica is just like the RSX, the HP really doesn't matter when they have that little TQ.

The GT-S doesn't have enough of a HP advantage to pull off a top end win.

celicacobalt

thats kinda like what i was thinking

phxSS

I beat a GT-S when I owned my '00 V6 stang 5-speed. So, I can beat one in that, you can in a 2.4

ralliartist

the gt-s will lose, pretty bad. i know the vvtl-i has problems kicking in and there tranny isn't that great, when you shift, it drops out of the powerband. so unless the gt-s driver really knows how to race, they ain't gonna win. my bid is on the ss by a couple cars. i wouldn't even try to compare it to an rsx. an ss would get owned by a rsx type s. but not a regular rsx. then the ss would win by a couple cars.

MikeSS

2002 Toyota Celica GT-S
(from car and driver)
0-60 7.3 secs
1/4 mile 15.6
top speed 129MPH
.88g's

So even though no one has officially tested a ss2.4 I would say it would be a close race in the 1/4 mile, but the ss2.4 should win by a few car lengths, the auto would probably lose.

However, judging by that .88g's, I wouldn't try to race one in a road course with the SS2.4

Blainestang

I'd call this a driver's race between the manuals, with the auto SS a little behind, and the auto GT-S about 2 seconds behind all of them


Umm, you do realize that a lack of torque can be negated by enough rpm, right? HP is just a multiplication of tq and rpm, so if one car has half the tq, but double the rpm, then he'll make the same hp, which is what really matters. How do you think good drivers go as fast as ~14.7 in stock RSX-S's? RPM is the answer because it certainly isn't the ~140 tq.

celicacobalt

having a good ammount of torque just makes it easier imo, but i agree that torque isnt everything, although in an auto i think it is

Blainestang

Well, there are 2 problems with autos and low-tq/high-rpm cars.

1. They can't launch anywhere near the rpm that they need to make power.

2. As is the case with the 4-speed auto in the Celica (as opposed to 6-speed manual), it has no chance of staying in the high-rpm powerband it needs to make power.

If it could do these 2 things, it would be fine, but these (especially #1) are a lot to ask from a stock factory transmission. This is why you don't see automatic S2000's... performance-wise, they would be total crap, just like the automatic RX-8's.

3fo893013L

Out of the hole or from a roll the 2.4 SS should have the advantage.

celicacobalt

well i hope this auto ss is gonna be a whole lot better than my auto gt-s was, im pretty sure it will be

codyss

14.7 in a stock RSX Type-S is like 13's in a stock 4.6 Mustang GT just because it happens it isn't the average.

The Cobalt SS is only = to GT-S and Type-S, have you ever driven a GT or Non-Type-S? They are more equal to a 1995-2001 2.2 J-Body.

avro206

5 spd wouild win---auto would lose

celicacobalt

auto would lose by how much

avro206

All you will get are guesses until one is raced. But consider this---the axle ratio is lower numercaily and the gears are too. This leads to less torque multplication and less acceleration the the 5 speed. I would guess 0.5 sec slower in the 1/4 mile then the 5 speed.

Now it will be a piece of cake to launch and you could even get a small jump.

Blainestang

Yeah, it's definately not average. My point was that if the driver understands that he doesn't make any power without RPM's because he has no torque, then he slips the clutch from ~4k+, which makes up for the lack of torque, and he can run some pretty decent times... much better than the average idiot driver that just assumes that he's going to suck at low speeds just because he doesn't have much tq.

I agree... the base models don't have tq OR hp.

celicacobalt

we will see when and if i race one but i was really curious what some of our educated guesses would be

MyFast

you would deffinetly win low and mid....might start to catch you up top...waaaay up top but i think the SS would win all the way

celicacobalt

yeah that sounds about right