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3.8 Genesis vs GMS1 SS/TC
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Gah! I wish someone would hurry up and buy Memphis Motorsports Park already so that they can reopen it. I wanna get my car on the track and see what I can do with it.
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I'll have a video up shortly.
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I'd be happy if my z28 pulled a 1.75 on my street tires lol. It won't
I really like my neighbors 3.8 track GC, i considered buying it from him cheap when he had a baby on the way. Came home one day and he had just traded it in for a new explorer(trade down imo) cause the wife demanded something more practical
There is a thread somewhere of modded Genesis Coupes and damn they look good with a nice set of wheels.
I really like my neighbors 3.8 track GC, i considered buying it from him cheap when he had a baby on the way. Came home one day and he had just traded it in for a new explorer(trade down imo) cause the wife demanded something more practical
There is a thread somewhere of modded Genesis Coupes and damn they look good with a nice set of wheels.
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how would it? there are plenty of guys that have run mid to high 13's. your genesis ran 13.9 and your saying it will run better but do you think it woudl run 13.5 or faster? because if it can't run faster than 13.5 then clearly the cobalt is faster stock vs stock?
go get 2 stock ones and keep going to the track have them race the **** out of it 150 times + and who do you think would be faster stock vs stock?
go get 2 stock ones and keep going to the track have them race the **** out of it 150 times + and who do you think would be faster stock vs stock?
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how would it? there are plenty of guys that have run mid to high 13's. your genesis ran 13.9 and your saying it will run better but do you think it woudl run 13.5 or faster? because if it can't run faster than 13.5 then clearly the cobalt is faster stock vs stock?
go get 2 stock ones and keep going to the track have them race the **** out of it 150 times + and who do you think would be faster stock vs stock?
go get 2 stock ones and keep going to the track have them race the **** out of it 150 times + and who do you think would be faster stock vs stock?
I'm not sure how those people ran 13.5 or whatever in bone stock Cobalts. I have 3 friends of mine with Turbo Cobalts and none of them could even break into the 13's. Although one was close with a 14.01 @ 101, the weather was perfect that night.
My guess is the faster times came from people who tricked the computers learn down mode or whatever. Other than that I just don't see how it's possible. The GMS1 car (which smashed a stock Cobalt by 5+ cars in a roll race) could only run 13.6 @ 105.
Here's the video. Youtube quality FTW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WE2myTSjOk
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To answer the bold, the Genesis, period.
I'm not sure how those people ran 13.5 or whatever in bone stock Cobalts. I have 3 friends of mine with Turbo Cobalts and none of them could even break into the 13's. Although one was close with a 14.01 @ 101, the weather was perfect that night.
My guess is the faster times came from people who tricked the computers learn down mode or whatever. Other than that I just don't see how it's possible. The GMS1 car (which smashed a stock Cobalt by 5+ cars in a roll race) could only run 13.6 @ 105.
Here's the video. Youtube quality FTW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WE2myTSjOk
I'm not sure how those people ran 13.5 or whatever in bone stock Cobalts. I have 3 friends of mine with Turbo Cobalts and none of them could even break into the 13's. Although one was close with a 14.01 @ 101, the weather was perfect that night.
My guess is the faster times came from people who tricked the computers learn down mode or whatever. Other than that I just don't see how it's possible. The GMS1 car (which smashed a stock Cobalt by 5+ cars in a roll race) could only run 13.6 @ 105.
Here's the video. Youtube quality FTW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WE2myTSjOk
how much faster is your goat vs when you raced laloosh and i tagged along in my slobalt?
these old vid's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2r-CJC9JM0
i was the little black cobalt with just gm stage 2 and nothing else other than i might of had a 2.8 pulley + gm stg2
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Laloosh was nowhere near stock. My GTO is no faster than it was. I also beat Laloosh very easily, what does any of that have to do with stock genesis and turbo cobalt times?
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Hehe... truly then my friend.
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To answer the bold, the Genesis, period.
I'm not sure how those people ran 13.5 or whatever in bone stock Cobalts. I have 3 friends of mine with Turbo Cobalts and none of them could even break into the 13's. Although one was close with a 14.01 @ 101, the weather was perfect that night.
My guess is the faster times came from people who tricked the computers learn down mode or whatever. Other than that I just don't see how it's possible. The GMS1 car (which smashed a stock Cobalt by 5+ cars in a roll race) could only run 13.6 @ 105.
Here's the video. Youtube quality FTW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WE2myTSjOk
I'm not sure how those people ran 13.5 or whatever in bone stock Cobalts. I have 3 friends of mine with Turbo Cobalts and none of them could even break into the 13's. Although one was close with a 14.01 @ 101, the weather was perfect that night.
My guess is the faster times came from people who tricked the computers learn down mode or whatever. Other than that I just don't see how it's possible. The GMS1 car (which smashed a stock Cobalt by 5+ cars in a roll race) could only run 13.6 @ 105.
Here's the video. Youtube quality FTW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WE2myTSjOk
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I can believe a 13.85-13.89 in like the best conditions ever for a Cobalt. Especially if the temperatures came down a few degrees between runs or after the drive. Once adjusted though 13's is very tough. However, 13.5 @ 105+ stock? Not a chance there wasn't something tweaked.
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I can believe a 13.85-13.89 in like the best conditions ever for a Cobalt. Especially if the temperatures came down a few degrees between runs or after the drive. Once adjusted though 13's is very tough. However, 13.5 @ 105+ stock? Not a chance there wasn't something tweaked.
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Stock i was trapping 103-104mph no problem, traction was the only problem lol
never been able to get under 2.3 60'
i trapped 105mph 2 times with good weather, and mostly 102-104mph with hotter weather.
Im supposed to go the the track this summer with my friend with his Genesis 3.8 auto
i will run him stock and tuned to see what happen..
never been able to get under 2.3 60'
i trapped 105mph 2 times with good weather, and mostly 102-104mph with hotter weather.
Im supposed to go the the track this summer with my friend with his Genesis 3.8 auto
i will run him stock and tuned to see what happen..
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Stock i was trapping 103-104mph no problem, traction was the only problem lol
never been able to get under 2.3 60'
i trapped 105mph 2 times with good weather, and mostly 102-104mph with hotter weather.
Im supposed to go the the track this summer with my friend with his Genesis 3.8 auto
i will run him stock and tuned to see what happen..
never been able to get under 2.3 60'
i trapped 105mph 2 times with good weather, and mostly 102-104mph with hotter weather.
Im supposed to go the the track this summer with my friend with his Genesis 3.8 auto
i will run him stock and tuned to see what happen..
I ran a 13.9 @ 99mph. That was my first time to the track EVER. It was high 90s and humid, far from the best conditions. I was surprised to break into the 13s considering my real track experience (none) and the conditions. However, had it been 20 degrees cooler with low humidity I feel like I could've done much better. Much better in my opinion = .2-.3 seconds quicker and 2-3mph faster.
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who said i ran 14.1-14.4 ?
the night i did 14.024, i did 8 runs all between 14.024 and 14.17
id say if i could have a 2.1 60' , 13.7 @ 105 would definatly be possible.
Im not saying 13.5 @105 is something easy or possible, i dont know, was just stating i could trap 105 stock.
I know someone that did 13.7 bone stock, at a different track than i go, for the runs on the net at 13.6 stock we have to trust the video..
Its always different from the elevation your at, and the way the track is prepped anyway.
Only thing ive noticed is when tuned with a 2.4 60' i trap 109-110 and with a 2.3 i trap 110-111, i dont know if i would trap higher with a 2.2 or 2.1, i would like to have drag radial tires to see! lol
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Either way you slice it, if the DA is sub 1500 a stock Cobalt and a stock Auto Genesis 3.8 rolling in off the highway onto the track, the Genesis is going to win every time, E.T. Trap could go either way.
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According to your earlier post, the GC could've knocked off almost .6 seconds and 4mph with the corrected DA. Do you honestly believe that a better DA would result in absolutely no gains for a SS/TC? It seems likely if it was less effective for a stock Cobalt, that .2-.3 secs and 2-3mph wouldn't be out of the question in my situation, in comparison to a much more stout improvement of .6 and 4mph. Regardless of my atrocious trap speed, I was able to hit a 13.9 in far from the best conditions. I'm not a fan of "ifs" but you did bring up the corrected DA stats.
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According to your earlier post, the GC could've knocked off almost .6 seconds and 4mph with the corrected DA. Do you honestly believe that a better DA would result in absolutely no gains for a SS/TC? It seems likely if it was less effective for a stock Cobalt, that .2-.3 secs and 2-3mph wouldn't be out of the question in my situation, in comparison to a much more stout improvement of .6 and 4mph. Regardless of my atrocious trap speed, I was able to hit a 13.9 in far from the best conditions. I'm not a fan of "ifs" but you did bring up the corrected DA stats.
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...calculator.php
The readouts are much different for N/A cars vs Turbo Cars. Especially ones like the Cobalt where the boost is electronically controlled.
The Cobalts 13.65 @ 105.3 would be a 13.45 @ 106 at zero DA, according to that calculator.
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Yay I would run a 13.6 at 101, if my car was an extensively modified application.
But there's no conversion for lightly modified or stock FI applications, only heavily modified. NA cars get a conversion for both. I have a feeling a lightly modified/stock FI application would cut more time just like the lightly modified/stock NA applications does vs the heavily modified NA applications. That DA calculator is lacking in that element. But at more than 4000 DA I ran a 13.9!
But there's no conversion for lightly modified or stock FI applications, only heavily modified. NA cars get a conversion for both. I have a feeling a lightly modified/stock FI application would cut more time just like the lightly modified/stock NA applications does vs the heavily modified NA applications. That DA calculator is lacking in that element. But at more than 4000 DA I ran a 13.9!
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At the end of the day, if you want wanna be a sad panda about your track times, drive a turbo vehicle.
Those Genesis will never run good times out here in the desert. It was almost 5000 DA during the day today, and at 10pm, it's still 4100 DA. Just something we gotta live with.
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Yay I would run a 13.6 at 101, if my car was an extensively modified application.
But there's no conversion for lightly modified or stock FI applications, only heavily modified. NA cars get a conversion for both. I have a feeling a lightly modified/stock FI application would cut more time just like the lightly modified/stock NA applications does vs the heavily modified NA applications. That DA calculator is lacking in that element. But at more than 4000 DA I ran a 13.9!
But there's no conversion for lightly modified or stock FI applications, only heavily modified. NA cars get a conversion for both. I have a feeling a lightly modified/stock FI application would cut more time just like the lightly modified/stock NA applications does vs the heavily modified NA applications. That DA calculator is lacking in that element. But at more than 4000 DA I ran a 13.9!
You mean, that specific magical Genesis that is apparently faster than any other Genesis. You can argue DA til your head explodes. Fact his, his car went 13.9@100. Plenty of magazines to back those times up as well.
At the end of the day, if you want wanna be a sad panda about your track times, drive a turbo vehicle.
Those Genesis will never run good times out here in the desert. It was almost 5000 DA during the day today, and at 10pm, it's still 4100 DA. Just something we gotta live with.
At the end of the day, if you want wanna be a sad panda about your track times, drive a turbo vehicle.
Those Genesis will never run good times out here in the desert. It was almost 5000 DA during the day today, and at 10pm, it's still 4100 DA. Just something we gotta live with.
DA is not something that is argued, it's a fact. And the fact is that turbo motors work a lot different than n/a motors.
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