Kildore

Has he ever followed threw? Its just to make discussion and turn this site inside out. Healthy at times, but usually not.

IdreamofYenko

Gah! I wish someone would hurry up and buy Memphis Motorsports Park already so that they can reopen it. I wanna get my car on the track and see what I can do with it.

SLoW SHO

I think the real question here is when have I not followed through. There was one, mayyyybe two threads where I had footage with no way to upload it. Since my capture card died I've had to switch over to different equipment.

I'll have a video up shortly.

SS4ME

She must be super-hot. I demand a coupe and have been packing my daughter into one for 10 1/2 years now. Both coupes that I've had have more room in the back than my wife's SHO. It's getting into the SHO that's easier.

PerformanceClutches

how would it? there are plenty of guys that have run mid to high 13's. your genesis ran 13.9 and your saying it will run better but do you think it woudl run 13.5 or faster? because if it can't run faster than 13.5 then clearly the cobalt is faster stock vs stock?

go get 2 stock ones and keep going to the track have them race the **** out of it 150 times + and who do you think would be faster stock vs stock?

SLoW SHO

To answer the bold, the Genesis, period.
I'm not sure how those people ran 13.5 or whatever in bone stock Cobalts. I have 3 friends of mine with Turbo Cobalts and none of them could even break into the 13's. Although one was close with a 14.01 @ 101, the weather was perfect that night.

My guess is the faster times came from people who tricked the computers learn down mode or whatever. Other than that I just don't see how it's possible. The GMS1 car (which smashed a stock Cobalt by 5+ cars in a roll race) could only run 13.6 @ 105.

Here's the video. Youtube quality FTW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WE2myTSjOk

PerformanceClutches

laloosh also ran times that no other ms3 could run lol

how much faster is your goat vs when you raced laloosh and i tagged along in my slobalt?

these old vid's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2r-CJC9JM0

i was the little black cobalt with just gm stage 2 and nothing else other than i might of had a 2.8 pulley + gm stg2

SLoW SHO

Laloosh was nowhere near stock. My GTO is no faster than it was. I also beat Laloosh very easily, what does any of that have to do with stock genesis and turbo cobalt times?

PerformanceClutches

just wondering if you lived close i'd run you for fun. i added a 75shot of n2o to the car. lol

SLoW SHO

Oh. I'm in CT. I'd run you if you wanted to come up here. I've still yet to lose to a Cobalt in the GTO so I'm game.

Kildore

Hehe... truly then my friend.

cmiller8006

iTrader: (3)

And as long as its stock turbo, and you go over 115 you wont ever lose lol.

jb09ss

I know someone who ran a 13.8 @103 100% stock, no computer tricking or anything, so it's definitively possible to break in the 13's. Track prep has to be impeccable however.

SLoW SHO

I can believe a 13.85-13.89 in like the best conditions ever for a Cobalt. Especially if the temperatures came down a few degrees between runs or after the drive. Once adjusted though 13's is very tough. However, 13.5 @ 105+ stock? Not a chance there wasn't something tweaked.

lifeguard15

I ran a 13.9 @ 99mph. That was my first time to the track EVER. It was high 90s and humid, far from the best conditions. I was surprised to break into the 13s considering my real track experience (none) and the conditions. However, had it been 20 degrees cooler with low humidity I feel like I could've done much better. Much better in my opinion = .2-.3 seconds quicker and 2-3mph faster.

Mike_peperni

Stock i was trapping 103-104mph no problem, traction was the only problem lol
never been able to get under 2.3 60'

i trapped 105mph 2 times with good weather, and mostly 102-104mph with hotter weather.

Im supposed to go the the track this summer with my friend with his Genesis 3.8 auto
i will run him stock and tuned to see what happen..

SLoW SHO

14.1-14.4 @ 104 is A LOT different than 13.5 @ 105

DA has nearly no effect on a stock Cobalt SS/TC. The only effect is if you trick your computer.

Mike_peperni

who said i ran 14.1-14.4 ?
the night i did 14.024, i did 8 runs all between 14.024 and 14.17


id say if i could have a 2.1 60' , 13.7 @ 105 would definatly be possible.

Im not saying 13.5 @105 is something easy or possible, i dont know, was just stating i could trap 105 stock.

I know someone that did 13.7 bone stock, at a different track than i go, for the runs on the net at 13.6 stock we have to trust the video..

Its always different from the elevation your at, and the way the track is prepped anyway.

Only thing ive noticed is when tuned with a 2.4 60' i trap 109-110 and with a 2.3 i trap 110-111, i dont know if i would trap higher with a 2.2 or 2.1, i would like to have drag radial tires to see! lol

SLoW SHO

Either way you slice it, if the DA is sub 1500 a stock Cobalt and a stock Auto Genesis 3.8 rolling in off the highway onto the track, the Genesis is going to win every time, E.T. Trap could go either way.

lifeguard15

According to your earlier post, the GC could've knocked off almost .6 seconds and 4mph with the corrected DA. Do you honestly believe that a better DA would result in absolutely no gains for a SS/TC? It seems likely if it was less effective for a stock Cobalt, that .2-.3 secs and 2-3mph wouldn't be out of the question in my situation, in comparison to a much more stout improvement of .6 and 4mph. Regardless of my atrocious trap speed, I was able to hit a 13.9 in far from the best conditions. I'm not a fan of "ifs" but you did bring up the corrected DA stats.

SLoW SHO

Input your DA into this Calculator
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...calculator.php

The readouts are much different for N/A cars vs Turbo Cars. Especially ones like the Cobalt where the boost is electronically controlled.
The Cobalts 13.65 @ 105.3 would be a 13.45 @ 106 at zero DA, according to that calculator.

lifeguard15

Yay I would run a 13.6 at 101, if my car was an extensively modified application.

But there's no conversion for lightly modified or stock FI applications, only heavily modified. NA cars get a conversion for both. I have a feeling a lightly modified/stock FI application would cut more time just like the lightly modified/stock NA applications does vs the heavily modified NA applications. That DA calculator is lacking in that element. But at more than 4000 DA I ran a 13.9!

Zenkat

You mean, that specific magical Genesis that is apparently faster than any other Genesis. You can argue DA til your head explodes. Fact his, his car went 13.9@100. Plenty of magazines to back those times up as well.

At the end of the day, if you want wanna be a sad panda about your track times, drive a turbo vehicle.

Those Genesis will never run good times out here in the desert. It was almost 5000 DA during the day today, and at 10pm, it's still 4100 DA. Just something we gotta live with.

SLoW SHO

It's not "Extensively modified supercharged and extensively modified turbo engines" It's extensively modified supercharged and turbo engines. Meaning the turbo engine could be stock, seeing as though turbo's work much differently than superchargers

13.92 @ 101
DA is not something that is argued, it's a fact. And the fact is that turbo motors work a lot different than n/a motors.

Darkmanx

how bout this?
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...-for-2012.html