400hp GOATvs 06 SS/SC
03-19-2007, 03:34 PM
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How many miles were on your car when you dynoed it?
And Tofu a 2004 GTO with those mods should be able to run low 13's on average.
Is this a friends car?
If so let him know that even the 2004 uses a h-pipe with true dual design, or should I say twin pipe since the pipe in the middle is only a brace.
And Tofu a 2004 GTO with those mods should be able to run low 13's on average.
Is this a friends car?
If so let him know that even the 2004 uses a h-pipe with true dual design, or should I say twin pipe since the pipe in the middle is only a brace.
03-20-2007, 12:28 PM
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Thanks, it's actually a kid at a local meet that likes to run his mouth. He's an idiot really, he is always saying how superior the LS1 GTO is compared to the LS2; for instance last night he said "with the cam I'm getting I will be at 415rwhp, an LS2 GTO with the same mods as me will not make near the same power because the LS1 heads flow better than LS2 heads."
Needless to say he didn't even know what head castings (241) were on his car.
But anyway, he said his current mods were what I asked you about and he is "supposedly" running mid 12's (on street tires). So I had to ask the GTO experts lol.
Needless to say he didn't even know what head castings (241) were on his car.
But anyway, he said his current mods were what I asked you about and he is "supposedly" running mid 12's (on street tires). So I had to ask the GTO experts lol.
Guys like that give the rest of us GTO owners a bad name.
03-21-2007, 07:19 PM
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What CodySS has said is correct. With miles the LS2's and LS1's get stronger, and with the heat it is a big problem. For comparison, I had my stock 06 6spd dyno'd on a Dynojet in early March and it put down 359/366 stock. It was nice and cool along with the motor (had fans on it). The norm seems to 345ish with the better of them after they are above 5k miles pushing 350+. So far I have not seen a higher stock dyno for a LS2 GTO. Gearing makes a big difference as well. I can post a video of a stock M6 LS2 GTO on the highway door to door with a 354 AWHP STI from 35-130 or so. Think gearing and aerodynamics played a part in that race? The STI weighed less by about 400lbs, just the drive train wasn't designed to be highway monsters like these LS cars now a days.
Here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZwHXBOplUs enjoy!
About the heads, the LS2's use the same or a very similar head and cam to the LS6. Supposedly the LS2 is slightly superior to the LS6 according to GM Performance Magazine, but I think that is a toss up. While the LS1 was the beginning of the OMG motors from GM, the LS2 took it to another level, and we won't even talk about the LS7! Tyler
Here's the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZwHXBOplUs enjoy!
About the heads, the LS2's use the same or a very similar head and cam to the LS6. Supposedly the LS2 is slightly superior to the LS6 according to GM Performance Magazine, but I think that is a toss up. While the LS1 was the beginning of the OMG motors from GM, the LS2 took it to another level, and we won't even talk about the LS7! Tyler
04-04-2007, 12:11 AM
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You guys should check out my buddy WRP's video's on putfile. His 04 GTO makes 450 to the tires and he destroys everything he races on the street. Best of all he has a camera mount in the car and videos every kill.
04-04-2007, 12:20 AM
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Why does it seem that the GTO's are, in a matter of speaking, dogs compared to the latter year Camaro's with comparable mods?? Are the GTO's gearings that much different, or is it weight, or aerodynamics?? Just wondering, cause I have a close friend that is quite the Camaro guy and his 2000 Z28 stock was pullin very low 13's all day long. He now has full exhaust, and I believe TB and intake, and his car is a beast. He should be in the 12's for sure now.
04-04-2007, 12:28 AM
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Why does it seem that the GTO's are, in a matter of speaking, dogs compared to the latter year Camaro's with comparable mods?? Are the GTO's gearings that much different, or is it weight, or aerodynamics?? Just wondering, cause I have a close friend that is quite the Camaro guy and his 2000 Z28 stock was pullin very low 13's all day long. He now has full exhaust, and I believe TB and intake, and his car is a beast. He should be in the 12's for sure now.
and why do people think the gto is almighty fast? they only trap 105-107. for 400hp? you jipped me on that trap. according to specs, a staged balt should trap waht, 102-103? thats only a car or two difference right there.
oh, and i coulda sworn those ls1 z28's only trap around 102....
04-04-2007, 12:31 AM
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you are very misinformed my friend^ they trap higher then what you mentioned for the most part. take a ride in a LSX motored car tell me when you feel it stop pulling the thing loves speed.
04-04-2007, 12:36 AM
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04-04-2007, 12:37 AM
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too true. I drove a 07 ss/sc today and I have to tell you I was wildly disappointed. Then again I drove a C6 with the A6 and it was a dog so I guess I am just used to really fast cars.
no WITH drag radials. The best 60 on street tires I ever cut was a 1.86 with my 6 speed
no WITH drag radials. The best 60 on street tires I ever cut was a 1.86 with my 6 speed
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04-04-2007, 12:38 AM
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dude i was being so conservative its not even funny...from what ive SEEN a stock one wont trap near that. of course dragging in orlando sucks...and good luck getting a gto to launch...they suck ass hairs off the line.
04-04-2007, 12:38 AM
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A GTO with any mods runs 12's. Most of the fast gto guys are shooting for 9's and 10's now days.
I was expecting it to not be a total pig. The 40 horsepower you get with a stage kit is a huge difference in a car that doesn't weigh anything. I am not bashing, please don't take me wrong. I drive a 12 second daily drive that was turbo charged for a while and made well over 600 to the tires. Like I said, I am used to FAST cars
I was expecting it to not be a total pig. The 40 horsepower you get with a stage kit is a huge difference in a car that doesn't weigh anything. I am not bashing, please don't take me wrong. I drive a 12 second daily drive that was turbo charged for a while and made well over 600 to the tires. Like I said, I am used to FAST cars
04-04-2007, 12:43 AM
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what happens when a car disgraces a classic name? lets see...
and yes, gto's suck off the line. you can get 1.9 60's in a cobalt if you do some suspension work. its just most people here cant drive for their lives.
04-04-2007, 12:44 AM
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04-04-2007, 12:44 AM
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You are right, they are harder than hell to launch. It takes a lot of practice.
Well I am going to buy a cobalt this weekend to drive daily. I drive 3000 miles a month and gas and that kind of miles are too much for a 40k truck. I would rather keep it nice and start playing with a cobalt SS/SC
WOW, now you are just being an ASS. Go over to ls1gto.com and look at the 1/4 times. There are tons of stock 05-06 GTO's running 12.80-13.20 bone stock. There are even scans of their timeslips. I built my own motors, modded my own LSx cars, spec my own cams....I don't talk out of my ass. If I don't know something I will say I don't know.
04-04-2007, 12:54 AM
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on ls1gto.com there are only 5 people that have run 12's stock....and none of them are 12.8's...at least not stock down to the tires. Unless they just havent updated the top 15 list which is possible....but it is not common for gto's to break 12's stock.
04-04-2007, 12:56 AM
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Well I like the cobalts or I wouldn't be buying one. Especially considering I spend most of my day in the car. This turned into a pissing contest and I am sorry about that. I am looking forward to see what I can get out of a cobalt. I have ported about 300 TB's for GTO guys and tuned countless GTO's. I have no doubt that I can find a time to line the cobalt up against all sorts of GTO's with all sorts of mods. When the weather is good here I hi the track every weekend.
04-04-2007, 01:09 AM
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MyGoat, you must understand that there will be NUMEROUS people that will contest to whatever you say no matter how much time behind the wheel you have, or how much work you've done. Because that is how they get off.
Get the SS/SC, throw a STG2 on her, CAI, exhaust, Suspension mods for sure, and some tuning and you will have yourself a lil beast. I dyno'd 230whp and 217wtq on a Mustang Dyno which is lower then the DynoJet, with only Stg2, 2.79" pulley and CAI. I haven't even gotten her tuned yet, hell she has the old Stg2 flash too. Mine was the FIRST 07 to have the GM stage kit on her and I can't track down the calibration number for the updated flash. lol..
By the way, 05-06 GTO's are low 13 to very high 12 second cars with no mods. Just because there have been people running 14's doesn't mean they should run that all the time. Hell, we have people running 15's in the SS/SC Cobalts. Does that mean the Cobalt is a 15 second car?? Nope...GTO's are not God, and no they aren't the fastest things out there, but 400hp, the styling of em, and the way the exhaust sounds...I'd drive one in a heartbeat. Oh yes and...REAR WHEEL DRIVE WOOT!! lol
That is not necessarily true. Just don't dump the clutch, and hope the track isn't crazy prepped, and be careful with DR's, and and...Stg2 axles are really nice. LOL..Damn, I need some of them actually.
Get the SS/SC, throw a STG2 on her, CAI, exhaust, Suspension mods for sure, and some tuning and you will have yourself a lil beast. I dyno'd 230whp and 217wtq on a Mustang Dyno which is lower then the DynoJet, with only Stg2, 2.79" pulley and CAI. I haven't even gotten her tuned yet, hell she has the old Stg2 flash too. Mine was the FIRST 07 to have the GM stage kit on her and I can't track down the calibration number for the updated flash. lol..
By the way, 05-06 GTO's are low 13 to very high 12 second cars with no mods. Just because there have been people running 14's doesn't mean they should run that all the time. Hell, we have people running 15's in the SS/SC Cobalts. Does that mean the Cobalt is a 15 second car?? Nope...GTO's are not God, and no they aren't the fastest things out there, but 400hp, the styling of em, and the way the exhaust sounds...I'd drive one in a heartbeat. Oh yes and...REAR WHEEL DRIVE WOOT!! lol
That is not necessarily true. Just don't dump the clutch, and hope the track isn't crazy prepped, and be careful with DR's, and and...Stg2 axles are really nice. LOL..Damn, I need some of them actually.
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04-04-2007, 01:29 AM
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I know what you mean. I am looking forward to it. The cool thing is I have the ability to tune myself and I have a dyno 3 miles from my house that I can use anytime. My wife can't figure out why I want a Cobalt, but I will tell you...it is something new to tinker. I went to the extreme on my TBSS and with the turbo I thrashed two transmissions and a rear end in a couple thousand miles. It sounds like the cobalts with a stage 2 and some other mods are pretty reliable. I am looking for something fun to drive and I am sure that is what the cobalt will be. Hopefully I won't go overboard. GTO's are not godly, hell an equally modded F-body will outrun a GTO all day because of the weight and traction issues.