believe it or not...06 SS/SC vs 04 GTO
02-20-2006, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by cvenom2122
ive raced the slow GTO's and won before the 04 5.9 right? may have been a auto but who cares i only won by a foot or less thoe 
my bro will chime in to prove this
from a stop thoe we will die
my bro will chime in to prove thisfrom a stop thoe we will die
A) 5.7L
B) small-discplacement owners fail to realize that automatic cars can be just as quick as a stick version provided theres a torquey motor in it. the GTO runs about the same with either trans, as did the LS1 Camaro and Firebird.
C) ENGLISH MUTHAF*CKA, DO YOU SPEAK IT!?!?!?!?
02-20-2006, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 03EBZ06
Unless 04 GTO drivers are bad drivers, they should see mid to high 13s. At my local track, I've seen few bone stock 04 GTOs running mid 13s even with our horrid DA.
CORRECT.....
02-20-2006, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Midnight Blue LS2
A) 5.7L
B) small-discplacement owners fail to realize that automatic cars can be just as quick as a stick version provided theres a torquey motor in it. the GTO runs about the same with either trans, as did the LS1 Camaro and Firebird.
C) ENGLISH MUTHAF*CKA, DO YOU SPEAK IT!?!?!?!?
B) small-discplacement owners fail to realize that automatic cars can be just as quick as a stick version provided theres a torquey motor in it. the GTO runs about the same with either trans, as did the LS1 Camaro and Firebird.
C) ENGLISH MUTHAF*CKA, DO YOU SPEAK IT!?!?!?!?
02-20-2006, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GotBoost?
I paided $18500 brand new for my car
My buddy paided 26,000 brand new for his 04 GTO 6 speed.
He can barely pull on me!
I wished we would havent raced when he was bone stock!
My buddy paided 26,000 brand new for his 04 GTO 6 speed.
He can barely pull on me!
I wished we would havent raced when he was bone stock!
maybe so... but at the end of the day, he's driving around in a GTO and you're driving around in a Cobalt....
02-20-2006, 02:38 PM
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04 = 5.7 LS1 (TransAM/Camaro motor) 05-06 = 6.0 LS2(Corvette Motor), the 04's are a bit slower, and being an 05 GOAT owner, I believe it's possible since i previously owned an SS/SC. GTO's are geared for top end, cuz trsut me, Cobalts arent the only GM cars with traction issues 
GTO 3.45 gears Cobalt 4.10gears(i think). But i believe he must not of been that great of a driver and a awefully large dude, but i know one thing, you;d have a hard time w/ an 05/06 cuz we arent but a few tenths/hundreths slower then Vettes( my logic, why pay double for a name when you can pay half for just as good a name) oh yeah, i also had my first kill, 05/06 350z, dropped, CAI, exhaust, tune and upgraded clutch, left it in OD, kinda made me feel bad cuz he had some girl in his car, but i felt better after i turned into the parking lot where we usually meet up after races, and he dropped the clutch and let out a loud garggley fart from his can, oh well
had to edit, typing errors, and yes Midnight, we all know at one time the LS motors all came from Corvettes, but i am glad you feel smart, crack another beer and troll on
GTO 3.45 gears Cobalt 4.10gears(i think). But i believe he must not of been that great of a driver and a awefully large dude, but i know one thing, you;d have a hard time w/ an 05/06 cuz we arent but a few tenths/hundreths slower then Vettes( my logic, why pay double for a name when you can pay half for just as good a name) oh yeah, i also had my first kill, 05/06 350z, dropped, CAI, exhaust, tune and upgraded clutch, left it in OD, kinda made me feel bad cuz he had some girl in his car, but i felt better after i turned into the parking lot where we usually meet up after races, and he dropped the clutch and let out a loud garggley fart from his can, oh wellhad to edit, typing errors, and yes Midnight, we all know at one time the LS motors all came from Corvettes, but i am glad you feel smart, crack another beer and troll on
02-20-2006, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by RiCeEaTeR05SS
04 = 5.7 LS1 05-06 (TransAM/Camaro motor) = 6.0 LS2(Corvette Motor).l
05-06 Camaro/Trans Am motor????? there was no such car and both the LS1 and LS2 are "corvette" motors....LS1 from '97 to '04 and LS2 from '05 on....
02-20-2006, 02:44 PM
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You guys are nuts. A bone stock 04 GTO is a mid 13 car BONE stock, the Cobalt SS is a low 14's car, just like the SRT-4.
Next you'll be saying you can beat Terminator Cobra's too.
Next you'll be saying you can beat Terminator Cobra's too.
02-20-2006, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SunFireMan
You guys are nuts. A bone stock 04 GTO is a mid 13 car BONE stock, the Cobalt SS is a low 14's car, just like the SRT-4.
Next you'll be saying you can beat Terminator Cobra's too.
Next you'll be saying you can beat Terminator Cobra's too.
correction...cobalt is a MID 14 second car.......not low......lol
02-20-2006, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Midnight Blue LS2
maybe so... but at the end of the day, he's driving around in a GTO and you're driving around in a Cobalt....
With all that cash to spend on things that wont depreciate like a betamax
02-20-2006, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Cobalt443
correction...cobalt is a MID 14 second car.......not low......lol
02-20-2006, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
With all that cash to spend on things that wont depreciate like a betamax
You really don't think the Cobalt is going to deprciate just as much?
Get real.
02-20-2006, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by SunFireMan
You really don't think the Cobalt is going to deprciate just as much?
Get real.
Get real.
not to mention even if the depreciation was the same % wise the GTO is still going to be losing more money
02-20-2006, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
No I don't (particularly vs and 04 GTO) , GM had a hard time giving away the GTO, so much so they had to offer an upgraded engine midway through production ..its a bland car that has not met its demand ... the cobalt will suffer allot of depreciation due to the fact that its still American ..but not to the same level
not to mention even if the depreciation was the same % wise the GTO is still going to be losing more money
not to mention even if the depreciation was the same % wise the GTO is still going to be losing more money
Ok smart boy.
1.) The GTO went to the LS2 engine because the LS1 CEASED TO EXIST. As in GM no longer made them for production cars.
2.) No more than 15k of the cars could be produced by Holden without disrupting the lines for the cars Holden sold in Australia.
3.) Bland or not, they look a HELL of a lot better than the replacement for the Cavalier.
10 bucks says the 2005 GTO has depreciated less than the 2005 Cobalt...
02-20-2006, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SunFireMan
Ok smart boy.
1.) The GTO went to the LS2 engine because the LS1 CEASED TO EXIST. As in GM no longer made them for production cars.
2.) No more than 15k of the cars could be produced by Holden without disrupting the lines for the cars Holden sold in Australia.
3.) Bland or not, they look a HELL of a lot better than the replacement for the Cavalier.
10 bucks says the 2005 GTO has depreciated less than the 2005 Cobalt...
1.) The GTO went to the LS2 engine because the LS1 CEASED TO EXIST. As in GM no longer made them for production cars.
2.) No more than 15k of the cars could be produced by Holden without disrupting the lines for the cars Holden sold in Australia.
3.) Bland or not, they look a HELL of a lot better than the replacement for the Cavalier.
10 bucks says the 2005 GTO has depreciated less than the 2005 Cobalt...
How will you be sending me my 10 dollars
2006 GTO Depreciation http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/pont...46543/cto.html
2005 Cobalt SS Depreciation http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/che...34292/cto.html
The Cobalt 5 year total is about what the GTO will do First year … now imagine if I put the 04 GTO
02-20-2006, 03:12 PM
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Oh And welcome to the forums...
PS people with sunfires shouldn’t talk about the "cavilers" replacement with a negative connotation as you drive the POS equivalent of the actual cavilear
PS people with sunfires shouldn’t talk about the "cavilers" replacement with a negative connotation as you drive the POS equivalent of the actual cavilear
02-20-2006, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
How will you be sending me my 10 dollars
2006 GTO Depreciation http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/pont...46543/cto.html
2005 Cobalt SS Depreciation http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/che...34292/cto.html
The Cobalt 5 year total is about what the GTO will do First year … now imagine if I put the 04 GTO
2006 GTO Depreciation http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/pont...46543/cto.html
2005 Cobalt SS Depreciation http://www.edmunds.com/used/2005/che...34292/cto.html
The Cobalt 5 year total is about what the GTO will do First year … now imagine if I put the 04 GTO
I said 2005 vs. 2005
Lets not even mention the fact that the GTO is 32k versus the 22k of the Cobalt. You also compared a USED car to a NEW car.
Nice try.
I noticed you had nothing else to say about the other facts.
Enjoy your slow car that even a Neon can beat.
02-20-2006, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
Oh And welcome to the forums...
PS people with sunfires shouldn’t talk about the "cavilers" replacement with a negative connotation as you drive the POS equivalent of the actual cavilear
PS people with sunfires shouldn’t talk about the "cavilers" replacement with a negative connotation as you drive the POS equivalent of the actual cavilear
People shouldn't assume that I drive a Sunfire.
02-20-2006, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SunFireMan
I said 2005 vs. 2005
Nice try.
I noticed you had nothing else to say about the other facts.
Enjoy your slow car that even a Neon can beat.
Nice try.
I noticed you had nothing else to say about the other facts.
Enjoy your slow car that even a Neon can beat.
that is the weakest rebuttal I have come across yet ...do you really think that the 2005 GTO is going to have drastically less depreciation ..that is the biggest cop out I have seen and I didn’t respond to your other posts because most people already know those are BS excuses that don’t hold any weight.
2.) No more than 15k of the cars could be produced by Holden without disrupting the lines for the cars Holden sold in Australia
02-20-2006, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
that is the weakest rebuttal I have come across yet ...do you really think that the 2005 GTO is going to have drastically less depreciation ..that is the biggest cop out I have seen and I didn’t respond to your other posts because most people already know those are BS excuses that don’t hold any weight.
its unfortunate that this fact doesn’t count for anything because of the 15k they could produce they still had trouble selling them ... infact some dealers sold the GTO for 25k with no incentives ... browse the GTO forum for more info
And what makes you think I'm not over at the GTO forums already?
02-20-2006, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SunFireMan
YOU ARE COMPARING DEPRECIATION ON A NEW CAR VERSUS A USED CAR. If you can't see the problems with that, you really do have issues.
And? Just becuase the GTO didn't sell many cars, doesn't make it a bad car... I'm almost willing to bet there are more 04 GTO's out there than there are SS/SC Cobalts...
And what makes you think I'm not over at the GTO forums already?
And? Just becuase the GTO didn't sell many cars, doesn't make it a bad car... I'm almost willing to bet there are more 04 GTO's out there than there are SS/SC Cobalts...
And what makes you think I'm not over at the GTO forums already?
(how do you think I am comparing new to used ... just because the model year is different. that has no bearing on the stats ..The cobalt stats weren't taken for 1st year after buying used the depreciation stats stay the same regardless of if the car is placed in the used tab or not ... 05 GTO's would be in the used tab but retain the same depreciation stats)
are you only "ALMOST" willing to bet becasue the last time you bet me 10 $ you crashed and burned ...
02-20-2006, 03:52 PM
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PS if you want to do 2005 vs. 2005 here are your precious GTO Stats taken from the same source
Depreciation, $9804, $2898, $2550, $2260, $2028, $19540
even higher ...
so instead of the 10 dollars you so graciously bet I would be satisfied if you retire from this forum ...
Depreciation, $9804, $2898, $2550, $2260, $2028, $19540
even higher ...
so instead of the 10 dollars you so graciously bet I would be satisfied if you retire from this forum ...
02-20-2006, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by c7015
if you were over there you wouldn’t debate how dealers were throwing them away (maybe you're slow, who knows) ... if you cant accept proven stats or reason and try to deflect with comments such as "you slow car cant beat a neon" its not worth the time ...you are clearly misinformed
(how do you think I am comparing new to used ... just because the model year is different. that has no bearing on the stats ..The cobalt stats weren't taken for 1st year after buying used)
(how do you think I am comparing new to used ... just because the model year is different. that has no bearing on the stats ..The cobalt stats weren't taken for 1st year after buying used)
I never once said that dealers were not nearly giving them away.
If you really think new versus used don't make a difference you are VERY VERY mistaken.