Civic DX vs Cobalt 2.2
12-08-2008, 09:20 PM
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im tired of seeing so many civics in my town all of them have the same **** done to the full exhaust, intake and lowered on coilovers so they are bouncing around everywhere everybody that drives one thinks they are the fastest car in town when in reality most of the cars around could beat them with the whole family in the car
12-08-2008, 09:22 PM
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I know, this whole thing is lame, I am posting it more to vent.
A Civic DX was really pulling some stuff on the road and I felt obligated to shut him down.
It was some punk teenager thinking he was in a Corvette.
Here he is in a 10 second 0-60 outdated 4 banger tailgating me and then zooms by and when he passes he taps his brakes and then vrooms his engine twice at me.
I zip over next to his left and he then gets caught up in the middle lane.
So he proceeds on my butt tailgating once again, so I punch it.
He of course falls behind a few cars lengths in the few seconds I punch it.
Note, I did not want to go too fast and when I let off my gas, this dweeb actually thought he was catching up, like his V-tec kicked in or some bs like that. Lame...
So he is tailgating me, merges right and tries to pass so I punch it, and guess what?
He falls behind a few lengths once again.
Again, I let off the gas and he then pulls up next to me revving his engine.
I had my passenger window down, and I yelled over "how many times do you need to lose to figure it out?". He frowns at me, says nothing and zips off.
He had a manual tranny, very loud exhaust (probably a 2.5" lol on his tiny 1.5 liter) and most likely had a CAI and who all knows what else. I know he had more than an exhaust because I have driven one of these before and he would have been in the next zip code instead of 5 car lengths.
My car is completely stock 2.2 with an automatic.
He is probably putting his car up for sale right now.
My car isn't fast and this kid max modded a turd that still falls behind 99% of modern cars (if they try).
Maybe the legend of the V-tec is really just people letting off their gas because they already pulled on the Honda and won and the Honda driver thinks the V-tech kicked in because they are now catching up.
A Civic DX was really pulling some stuff on the road and I felt obligated to shut him down.
It was some punk teenager thinking he was in a Corvette.
Here he is in a 10 second 0-60 outdated 4 banger tailgating me and then zooms by and when he passes he taps his brakes and then vrooms his engine twice at me.
I zip over next to his left and he then gets caught up in the middle lane.
So he proceeds on my butt tailgating once again, so I punch it.
He of course falls behind a few cars lengths in the few seconds I punch it.
Note, I did not want to go too fast and when I let off my gas, this dweeb actually thought he was catching up, like his V-tec kicked in or some bs like that. Lame...
So he is tailgating me, merges right and tries to pass so I punch it, and guess what?
He falls behind a few lengths once again.
Again, I let off the gas and he then pulls up next to me revving his engine.
I had my passenger window down, and I yelled over "how many times do you need to lose to figure it out?". He frowns at me, says nothing and zips off.
He had a manual tranny, very loud exhaust (probably a 2.5" lol on his tiny 1.5 liter) and most likely had a CAI and who all knows what else. I know he had more than an exhaust because I have driven one of these before and he would have been in the next zip code instead of 5 car lengths.
My car is completely stock 2.2 with an automatic.
He is probably putting his car up for sale right now.
My car isn't fast and this kid max modded a turd that still falls behind 99% of modern cars (if they try).
Maybe the legend of the V-tec is really just people letting off their gas because they already pulled on the Honda and won and the Honda driver thinks the V-tech kicked in because they are now catching up.
but becareful. i was racing a Tc (scion) a few weeks ago and yes i had my turbo, smoked the Tc by the way. but this is my point, i was at about 120 and the Tc was back about 7-10 lengths back then when i look to my left this old ass early 80's civic blows by me (im still doing 120mph). he went by soooo fast it was like i was racing a vette from a dig. turn'd out he had a twin charged motor. one turbo was a t90 and then he had a small one. not sure what he said it was... i was just amazed at the t90 he crammed in their.
12-08-2008, 09:24 PM
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yeah i agree on that one there is a black balt in my town (sorry if you are on this forum but your car looks terrible) it has a fake dual exhaust chromed out with 15" chrome hubcaps so you are right it all depends on the owner some honda's can be really nice looking cars
12-08-2008, 09:26 PM
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LOL at that story,
but becareful. i was racing a Tc (scion) a few weeks ago and yes i had my turbo, smoked the Tc by the way. but this is my point, i was at about 120 and the Tc was back about 7-10 lengths back then when i look to my left this old ass early 80's civic blows by me (im still doing 120mph). he went by soooo fast it was like i was racing a vette from a dig. turn'd out he had a twin charged motor. one turbo was a t90 and then he had a small one. not sure what he said it was... i was just amazed at the t90 he crammed in their.
but becareful. i was racing a Tc (scion) a few weeks ago and yes i had my turbo, smoked the Tc by the way. but this is my point, i was at about 120 and the Tc was back about 7-10 lengths back then when i look to my left this old ass early 80's civic blows by me (im still doing 120mph). he went by soooo fast it was like i was racing a vette from a dig. turn'd out he had a twin charged motor. one turbo was a t90 and then he had a small one. not sure what he said it was... i was just amazed at the t90 he crammed in their.
12-08-2008, 09:27 PM
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I should have mentioned engine swaps aren't fair.
The reason is, I am talking about engine potential, the chassis isn't a factor in what I am talking about.
Here is a video of my competition:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/94...id=VIDURVAUT06
It is a wheelchair.
I could do the 3800SC swap or even a 3400 turbocharged, I even saw someone with the VRT motor swap in a Cavalier.
It should be the 1.5 vs 2.2 and not the B18 vs 2.2 liter.
I understand getting a cheap car to go fast.
The Dodge Daytona 2.2 turbo is slow, but with just the Super 60 kit, it is over 300hp.
I owned several F-bodies that were easy to squeeze more hp out of too.
Engine swaps on F-bodies can make some scary power.
But an old F-body with a Crossfire 305 begs for an engine swap, as modding it will take too much money. Just swap in a 350HO or even an LT1.
The reason is, I am talking about engine potential, the chassis isn't a factor in what I am talking about.
Here is a video of my competition:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/94...id=VIDURVAUT06
It is a wheelchair.
I could do the 3800SC swap or even a 3400 turbocharged, I even saw someone with the VRT motor swap in a Cavalier.
It should be the 1.5 vs 2.2 and not the B18 vs 2.2 liter.
I understand getting a cheap car to go fast.
The Dodge Daytona 2.2 turbo is slow, but with just the Super 60 kit, it is over 300hp.
I owned several F-bodies that were easy to squeeze more hp out of too.
Engine swaps on F-bodies can make some scary power.
But an old F-body with a Crossfire 305 begs for an engine swap, as modding it will take too much money. Just swap in a 350HO or even an LT1.
lol thank you for posting that next time i think my cars stupid slow ill watch that and be like....man im a rocket!
12-08-2008, 09:28 PM
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12-08-2008, 09:35 PM
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12-08-2008, 09:41 PM
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debadged is right, you can make an all motor civic that weighs 2,500 pounds with everything stripped out of it, NA and it'll push near 250 horse. that's friggin' fast. You can now as well take the stroked block out of a CR-V and slap the heads off an Integra and make a 260 horse engine that will fit right in the civic WITHOUT boltons or other internal parts you might add like cams and such. You add a turbo kit to that and you are messing with something fierce. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan at all of the ricer torque curve, but you can't bash the fact that for less money that it would take to get 300 hp out of an L61, you can put out nearly 350 from a teeny honda powerplant. I've looked into an engine swap for the cobalt but it's nearly impossible when you think about the time, money, and headaches you're going at. Yes, a guy jammed a 4.6 Northstar in a Cavalier, but it took him nearly a year to get the car running due to Standalone fuel/air problems because our stock ecu's can't run a V8, let alone anything else, and the amount of fabrication it took to fit that beast in the engine bay. Honda's are plug and play which makes them more dangerous to me than any ecotec and believe me, I want nothing more than to build my engine, but to get 325 out of it, it will cost me about 6 g's which for that money, I think I'll just buy a brand new ss/tc and stage it when they come out with such a kit.
12-08-2008, 09:42 PM
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I couldnt begin to tell you how wrong you are there
If you were right, then why isn't the Honda Civic DX holding the record?
Don't go there with engine swaps (not trying to be mean here) but swapping motors is not the point, the Ecotec vs the motor in the DX is.
12-08-2008, 09:48 PM
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12-08-2008, 09:49 PM
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but becareful. i was racing a Tc (scion) a few weeks ago and yes i had my turbo, smoked the Tc by the way. but this is my point, i was at about 120 and the Tc was back about 7-10 lengths back then when i look to my left this old ass early 80's civic blows by me (im still doing 120mph). he went by soooo fast it was like i was racing a vette from a dig. turn'd out he had a twin charged motor. one turbo was a t90 and then he had a small one. not sure what he said it was... i was just amazed at the t90 he crammed in their.
Just remember guys that I am talking about a Civic DX with the original motor and bolt-ons and manual tranny vs a Cobalt LS with an automatic.
Sometimes long threads are picked up by people reading the last three follow-up posts.
I also posted that I don't believe my car to be fast, but it is not super slow like the Civic even with bolt ons.
My 0-60 in 8 seconds is way better than the 10+ second 0-60 of the stock 94 Civic DX, or the 9.5 seconds this guy was pulling.
There are a lot of engine swapped or turbo Civics out there, but I could swap in a 3800 SC or a 3400 turbo, strip the interior and so on and it is a mute point.
The Civic 'does' has more cheap options for upgrades, but I still don't prefer them. i owned one and only one.
I would get a Dodge Daytona turbo II to hop up instead. Just my preference.
12-08-2008, 09:50 PM
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but becareful. i was racing a Tc (scion) a few weeks ago and yes i had my turbo, smoked the Tc by the way. but this is my point, i was at about 120 and the Tc was back about 7-10 lengths back then when i look to my left this old ass early 80's civic blows by me (im still doing 120mph). he went by soooo fast it was like i was racing a vette from a dig. turn'd out he had a twin charged motor. one turbo was a t90 and then he had a small one. not sure what he said it was... i was just amazed at the t90 he crammed in their.
Just remember guys that I am talking about a Civic DX with the original motor and bolt-ons and manual tranny vs a Cobalt LS with an automatic.
Sometimes long threads are picked up by people reading the last three follow-up posts.
I also posted that I don't believe my car to be fast, but it is not super slow like the Civic even with bolt ons.
My 0-60 in 8 seconds is way better than the 10+ second 0-60 of the stock 94 Civic DX, or the 9.5 seconds this guy was pulling.
There are a lot of engine swapped or turbo Civics out there, but I could swap in a 3800 SC or a 3400 turbo, strip the interior and so on and it is a mute point.
The Civic 'does' has more cheap options for upgrades, but I still don't prefer them. i owned one and only one.
I would get a Dodge Daytona turbo II to hop up instead. Just my preference.
12-08-2008, 09:50 PM
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it does have the ring record, and 1/4 mile.
but im not refrenceing that. im saying id have more faith in that douchebags civic making more power, cheaper and reliably than the 2.2 ecotec.
but im not refrenceing that. im saying id have more faith in that douchebags civic making more power, cheaper and reliably than the 2.2 ecotec.
12-08-2008, 10:00 PM
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well, i dyno'd at 258.94whp on 10psi of boost for $3,000 and thats the only thing done to this motor.
12-08-2008, 10:03 PM
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I am surprised that you feel the Civic engine is better.
The Ecotec is a durable motor, and if built up right can make a lot of power reliably.
I wouldn't say that with the older GM stuff.
I guess we both like what we like.
The Ecotec is a durable motor, and if built up right can make a lot of power reliably.
I wouldn't say that with the older GM stuff.
I guess we both like what we like.
12-08-2008, 10:25 PM
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ok, you CANNOT just swap in a 3800 or 3400 engine into the cobalt and make it work. It would take massive amounts of fabrication for motor mounts, new tranny, new axles, TOTALLY NEW ECU, PCM and probably a standalone fuel/air management system which is gonna run you atleast 3 g's, not like a civic you can just pop out the old and pop in the new, wire it up and go. BIIIIIIIG difference. Terrible comparison.
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.ph...8&t=336308&p=1 here is the northstar cavy
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.ph...8&t=336308&p=1 here is the northstar cavy
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12-08-2008, 10:51 PM
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jesus christ! im sorry but why the hell are we making such a big deal out of what to me seems like was a "ricer fly by" and not a race all you two were doing was flooring it down a street? did you actually line up and race? from the story it doesnt seem like it. from stock civics are sloooow but they have amazing potential, these days those cars are what is bought to get a cheap build to have a fast car and the engine will hold boost maybe not the dx but the b16 can hold 7-10psi off stock internals, like the guy a couple pages back said "i dont think 2.2 liters should be raced" well i dont either especially automatic 8 seconds being a good 0-60 time? thats horrible!!! that is just enough for a daily driver to be able to avoid and accident in rush hour, not to race with// the ss/sc gets what 5.9-6.1 0-60 depending on the driver? honestly to me thats not good enough either but i dont go around saying omg my car does 0-60 in 6 seconds, im so fast hondas are so slow, i saw a guy at the weekend street races in a 95 civic hatchback walk on a vette c5 made him look like an idiot! the guy probably paid 40k for that vette and that 95 all together cost him not even ten grand including the shell motor turbo kit and all the else that was done. i have a buddy with a 2.2l auto and he thinks his car is the shiiiaaaat! but yet it gets stuck at about 105mph? honestly how can you say that is fast!? im not trying to be mean but neither a stock dx or a 2.2l auto matic cobalt should be flooring their cars down a public street, imagine what the people around you are saying? once again im not trying to be mean but this just irrates me that people think that people in hondas are douches but yet we have our own balt owners out their trying to prove that their cars are faster then a stock civic dx. thats pathetic. im sorry
12-08-2008, 11:14 PM
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