Cobalt tc vs v6 Honda accord coupe
01-07-2013, 04:10 AM
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Basically what it has amounted to is Cobalt T/C> Accord V6 6-speed > Cobalt S/C
-Accord making T/C power(240+ whp) with less then $300 in mods($50 CAI/ $100 custom J pipe/ $150 custom 3 inch CBE)!
Any stock T/C or modified S/C in okc area want to run ?
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01-07-2013, 06:04 AM
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You must have clicked on the wrong link, I thought this was an Accord vs Cobalt thread.
Basically what it has amounted to is Cobalt T/C> Accord V6 6-speed > Cobalt S/C
-Accord making T/C power(240+ whp) with less then $300 in mods($50 CAI/ $100 custom J pipe/ $150 custom 3 inch CBE)!
Any stock T/C or modified S/C in okc area want to run ?
Basically what it has amounted to is Cobalt T/C> Accord V6 6-speed > Cobalt S/C
-Accord making T/C power(240+ whp) with less then $300 in mods($50 CAI/ $100 custom J pipe/ $150 custom 3 inch CBE)!
Any stock T/C or modified S/C in okc area want to run ?
01-07-2013, 06:38 AM
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https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/gene...typhoon-46905/
^Stage 2- 223.8 WHP and 207 TQ on a dynojet.
^Dyno's same power as me, basically. 243 versus 242.
"stage 3 setup with canned ZZP tune. 2.9 15psi, cai, 50# injectors, Ingalls etd, CXRacing h/e with dual pass, long header to 3" outlet to full 3" back including high flow cat to 3" Magnaflow muffler."
Now show me an LSJ or LNF that gains 50 whp untuned without changing injectors or any internals; and with over 210,000 miles like my Honda.
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01-07-2013, 07:10 AM
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1st-40, 2nd-60, 3rd-90, 4th-120, 5th-155
01-07-2013, 07:13 AM
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That is SAE Corrected ^ Not STD. The lower numbers(255 whp) shown on the graph are for the dyno before he installed J37 IM(Intake Manifold) and J37 TB(Throttle Body).
He just has full intake and exhaust mods:
Intake side: Cold Air Intake, J37 Intake Manifold, J37 bored Throttle Body
Exhaust side: Pre-cat deletes, custom J pipe, 3 inch Catback Exhaust
He's at 272 whp(SAE Corrected nonetheless) untuned now.
Oh yeah, did I mention we can't have headers on our cars because the exhaust manifold is a part of the engine block ? Show me LSJ or LNF untuned w/o header gaining 50 whp with intake and exhaust.
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01-07-2013, 07:23 AM
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They dont exist because our cars have MAP and MAF sensors. Im guessing Accord just have MAP sensors?
Oh and a 6 gear manual may or may not be quicker than a 5 speed. there are some factors in play that would make the 6 speed a hinderance. modified cobalt SS's make alot of torque. the car has no problem accelerating through 5 tall gears. It means less shifting for the cobalt driver, less room for mistakes, and less time having your foot off the gas. The shorter gear ratio of a 6 speed is great for acceleration up to 60ish mph but after than its gonna hurt top end performance, but I would like to say a 6 speed would be better suited for the v6 accord over the 5 speed based on that power curve.
Oh and I can gain 50whp just by going from one dyno to another
Oh and a 6 gear manual may or may not be quicker than a 5 speed. there are some factors in play that would make the 6 speed a hinderance. modified cobalt SS's make alot of torque. the car has no problem accelerating through 5 tall gears. It means less shifting for the cobalt driver, less room for mistakes, and less time having your foot off the gas. The shorter gear ratio of a 6 speed is great for acceleration up to 60ish mph but after than its gonna hurt top end performance, but I would like to say a 6 speed would be better suited for the v6 accord over the 5 speed based on that power curve.
Oh and I can gain 50whp just by going from one dyno to another
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01-07-2013, 07:31 AM
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They dont exist because our cars have MAP and MAF sensors. Im guessing Accord just have MAP sensors?
Oh and a 6 gear manual may or may not be quicker than a 5 speed. there are some factors in play that would make the 6 speed a hinderance. modified cobalt SS's make alot of torque. the car has no problem accelerating through 5 tall gears. It means less shifting for the cobalt driver, less room for mistakes, and less time having your foot off the gas. The shorter gear ratio of a 6 speed is great for acceleration up to 60ish mph but after than its gonna hurt top end performance, but I would like to say a 6 speed would be better suited for the v6 accord over the 5 speed based on that power curve.
Oh and I can gain 50whp just by going from one dyno to another
Oh and a 6 gear manual may or may not be quicker than a 5 speed. there are some factors in play that would make the 6 speed a hinderance. modified cobalt SS's make alot of torque. the car has no problem accelerating through 5 tall gears. It means less shifting for the cobalt driver, less room for mistakes, and less time having your foot off the gas. The shorter gear ratio of a 6 speed is great for acceleration up to 60ish mph but after than its gonna hurt top end performance, but I would like to say a 6 speed would be better suited for the v6 accord over the 5 speed based on that power curve.
Oh and I can gain 50whp just by going from one dyno to another
01-07-2013, 07:32 AM
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Everytime I go to the track, I DONT see accords running. They dont run. I see alot of civics and evos, and wrx's, and a plethera of other cars. I dont see v6 accords. Id have to see it with my own eyes because the ricer math just doesnt add up. a heavier car, with roughly the same hp BUT way lower torque can run mid 13's while a cobalt turbo sits roughly at 14s or just a tenth lower.
01-07-2013, 07:35 AM
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Everytime I go to the track, I DONT see accords running. They dont run. I see alot of civics and evos, and wrx's, and a plethera of other cars. I dont see v6 accords. Id have to see it with my own eyes because the ricer math just doesnt add up. a heavier car, with roughly the same hp BUT way lower torque can run mid 13's while a cobalt turbo sits roughly at 14s or just a tenth lower.
Here's me racing full bolt on AP1 S2k that runs 13.9x..... from a dig. I had short ram intake, cat delete, and exhaust cutout at the time.
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01-07-2013, 07:39 AM
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Everytime I go to the track, I DONT see accords running. They dont run. I see alot of civics and evos, and wrx's, and a plethera of other cars. I dont see v6 accords. Id have to see it with my own eyes because the ricer math just doesnt add up. a heavier car, with roughly the same hp BUT way lower torque can run mid 13's while a cobalt turbo sits roughly at 14s or just a tenth lower.
01-07-2013, 07:51 AM
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The 08+ Accord V6 gains about 35-40 whp from just J pipe and Pre-Cat Deletes alone.
The reason they make so much, is because Honda has arguably the most restrictive exhaust systems out there. Here's my old OEM J pipe.
01-07-2013, 07:55 AM
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BTW guys, the red line is with my exhaust cutout open. I dyno'd with it open first, then the blue line(closed) like 30 seconds after. I gained power and torque everywhere with it closed, despite the fact there was no cooldown time for the engine.
Edit: Sure you guys don't care, but just explaining the difference.
Edit: Sure you guys don't care, but just explaining the difference.
01-07-2013, 04:18 PM
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Everytime I go to the track, I DONT see accords running. They dont run. I see alot of civics and evos, and wrx's, and a plethera of other cars. I dont see v6 accords. Id have to see it with my own eyes because the ricer math just doesnt add up. a heavier car, with roughly the same hp BUT way lower torque can run mid 13's while a cobalt turbo sits roughly at 14s or just a tenth lower.