OniMirage

the internals are completely different to allow the turbos to give a good amount of boost ... the compression on the turbo version was alot less than the non turbo's as well to accomidate that. a custom turbo kit for the non trubo I beleive was runing about 4k for the complete kit when I was looking about a year ago and the full turbo version was about 5k ... he would get more out of the single turbo right away but would get even more out of the twin turbo when modified.

OniMirage

well no with bolt ons and an upgraded clutch the older base models actually would be pretty quick ... I never did take mine to the track when I had it but I wasn't slow but wasn't all that fast either. I had a custom cat back exhaust and stillen intake with a new clutch cus the old one fried on me and I was able to stick with my buddy's wrx to the point where neither of us pulled away from each other unless the launch was better for him or me.

The newer 3rd gen base models got a different engine which was actually a sohc I beleive which sucks for them ... the older base models all had the 220hp 210ft/tq engines

SwizzDSMSS

haha I smoked a VR4 hella bad from a 40 roll. VR4 is overrated like Duke!

OniMirage

I believe it especially if it was the first 2 gens without mods hell even one with a few mods such as bolt ons wont be much better

ralliartist

i'm not even gonna comment on the last 2 posts. i'm afraid of getting flamed.

Nocturn

maybe stock, but Vr4s are beast with even minor mods, they are 13 second cars, which from last I checked is faster than the CSS.

ralliartist

+1^^^

OniMirage

the first 2 gens sucked even with bolt ons they werent much faster unless the turbo's were swapped ... and yes the later 2 gens could run 13's the 99 ran em stock and the 3rd gens could run em with bolt ons

CobaltSS422

A buddy of mine owned a 94' Dodge Stealth R/T TT. And that thing was fast. Plus it had AWD. These cars are 13 second cars stock!! The only problem with these cars is that if u need a part for them GOOD LUCK!! Parts are so hard to come buy and if you do get a part for it, it comes straight from Mitsubishi and it's expensive as hell. But there was no way that this dude raced an R/T TT

Nocturn

I was on 3si.org for about 3 years, they all are 13-14.0 second cars, with or without minor mods. I don't know where your getting this info about the 2nd and 1st gens being dogs with mods.

ralliartist

+1 ^^^ agree again

05_Blue_B10WN_SS

I raced my boddies 3000 GT SL at the track. the best time he has ever put down was a 16.5. They are slow and heavy. the TT/AWD one is even heavier due to the AWD drive train/assembly. Stock they are not much. But the are easily moddable though. But if you do your research, RT's and VR-4s are very expensive to up keep, and they tend to break **** a lot. Trannys are a big problem in those cars, and cranks seem to go bad also, after around 400 or so to the wheel.

Nocturn

Um, no its the Transfer case that is the problem on those cars, not the tranny. And the SL is a 220HP FWD POS. Add 100 HP and give it AWD and its a different story, yes they are heavy but its still around what a GTO weighs. It's still a faster car, no one would brag about beating a Cobalt LT, now would they, so don't talk about racing the SL or base model when its not the peformance version.

SwizzDSMSS

No doubt I would get smoked from a dig!!! Duh. But from a 40 roll in second, they couldnt keep up. BTW it was a stock VR4.

OniMirage

dont know where to start ... first with the statement of all vr-4's running in the 13's ... no ... and second if you were on 3si for 3 years I am sure you would know this unless ... your mag racing then the sky is the limit I suppose.

Also while the SL is not the premium version it is still considered a sporty car and puts out around the same power that the SS does ... if he gets into a race with one why not let him tell us about it? thats like saying no one can now post a race between a mustang gt since it wasn't a cobra or better

Nocturn

Yes its equal power, but it weighs 1000 LBS more, why not post races with V6 F150s and Non hemi Rams...whats the point.

IM not magazine racing, just look at the figures, take an evo, add 50 HP (depending on year), and about 600 more LBS and its going to still be a 13 second car, high 13s but still 13s.

dimeo09

haha you make me laugh, they are 1 second faster in the quarter mile on a perfect run.... on the highway its close.. they'll prolly still pull on a SS but the SS wont get raped like everyone thinks

dimeo09

my friend with a vr-4(stock) runs consistant 13.5's

OniMirage

what year is his vr-4? and is it modded in anyway? im not saying that they can't do it im just saying that the earlier models had a very difficult time doing such a fast time without mods. thats it ... the 99 was a beast of beasts loud yet had good tone, fast and consistant, heavy but could still make a turn. stock it did 13's ... as did the 98 and 97 models stock with a good driver and launch ... the earlier models well ... you don't see many of those driving around ... well at least I dont aside from my buddy's first gen and another dude I met shortly after purchasing my 3000gt a few years back

dimeo09

he has one of the last years they made em, and hes experienced and i guess he did some boost bypass mod but thats all

wasey13

I call BS! There is no way a stock VR-4 will see 13.5s. It takes a lot, I MEAN A LOT to get them to hit 13.9.

dimeo09

ignorance is a sad sad thing, i guess the track is wrong then and my friend is running 3 turbos and i just didnt notice, get a life bud

OniMirage

the later version had high profile wings ... the 97 and 98 had a wing that looked like the srt-4's and the 99 looked like the evo wing

OniMirage

the sl and base 3000gt weighed in at 3,252 lbs which is not a whole lot more than the ss but yeah it is heavier the vr4-'s averaged 3,781 lbs which is pretty close to 1000 more but is still shy of such a number.

freakaccident

If you beat on any year VR4 it will hit 13's every time. The 99s could hit very low 13s everytime. If you want your clutch, tranny, and tcase to last you will run low 14s. The trannys on them are the big issue. Very few vr4s or rt/tts make it past 100k miles on the stock tranny. Mine lasted to 77k.

The base model up until 97 did not have the 222hp DOHC v6. It had a SOHC v6 and I am guessing but I think 160hp. The SL had the DOHC 222hp v6 up to 97. 97 and 98 NON turbos all had the DOHC I believe. The SOHC models ran 16s. The DOHC models ran consistent mid 15s with a few people actually breaking into the 14s. The fastest I had ever seen was a 14.4 in a DOHC.