Even with the 6.0 GTO???
01-01-2007, 07:33 PM
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if you can drive (or I should say launch) an M6 GTO, it will beat an Auto EVERYTIME.. most can not.. that's why you see the Autos running quicker..
on another note, where are all the "Quick" Cobalts? talking about Daily Drivers, not track queens... what does it take to get them deep into the 12's? are they that hard to mod and run reliably? I notice the SRT4's running in the 12's all over, but not the SS's? I like Turbos myself, but assumed because of how stout the bottom end of the ecotech was that there would be more running 12's and quicker?
on another note, where are all the "Quick" Cobalts? talking about Daily Drivers, not track queens... what does it take to get them deep into the 12's? are they that hard to mod and run reliably? I notice the SRT4's running in the 12's all over, but not the SS's? I like Turbos myself, but assumed because of how stout the bottom end of the ecotech was that there would be more running 12's and quicker?
01-01-2007, 08:35 PM
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if you can drive (or I should say launch) an M6 GTO, it will beat an Auto EVERYTIME.. most can not.. that's why you see the Autos running quicker..
on another note, where are all the "Quick" Cobalts? talking about Daily Drivers, not track queens... what does it take to get them deep into the 12's? are they that hard to mod and run reliably? I notice the SRT4's running in the 12's all over, but not the SS's? I like Turbos myself, but assumed because of how stout the bottom end of the ecotech was that there would be more running 12's and quicker?
on another note, where are all the "Quick" Cobalts? talking about Daily Drivers, not track queens... what does it take to get them deep into the 12's? are they that hard to mod and run reliably? I notice the SRT4's running in the 12's all over, but not the SS's? I like Turbos myself, but assumed because of how stout the bottom end of the ecotech was that there would be more running 12's and quicker?
Direct from the Pontiac website (I would imagine they have people that can drive/launch cars)
Originally Posted by www.pontiac.com
Standard 4L65-E 4-speed Transmission
Custom tailored and performance tuned, the 4-Speed Automatic provides performance that rivals that of the Tremec given a 0 to 60 time of 4.6 seconds. The secret: Software programmed to match the 4L65-E to the LS2's on-and-off throttle characteristics.
Custom tailored and performance tuned, the 4-Speed Automatic provides performance that rivals that of the Tremec given a 0 to 60 time of 4.6 seconds. The secret: Software programmed to match the 4L65-E to the LS2's on-and-off throttle characteristics.
Ecotech's aftermarket isn't as far along as the SRT-4's has been. Adding insult to injury, GM is going turbo with the 2.0 in the future, so that's also going to hinder the after-market. I would say that a nicely built up LSJ with full bolt-ons, some larger injectors, and staged reflashes would have no problems cracking the 12s. 1st thing I'd do near the 300 HP mark though is get a better more stout transmission in there, hopefully one with better gears, and then a suspension to match the extra power..........Oh and there's only a couple of cures for the Mod bug, marriage and/or an addition to the family-aka a rug-rat.
01-02-2007, 12:03 AM
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Even the LS2 GTO owner said they run 13.40's. Big deal one single number doesnt mean that everyone and there grandma has to run it. Some balt owners need to wash the sand out of thier ******.
01-02-2007, 12:28 AM
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May keep up? Not buying that, unless you're running up to 160mph... Stock ls2's have been running average 13.0-13.4 like you say (I may have heard of one in 12's too but i'm not sure). CobaltSS443's husband dynoed 343 rwhp stock. But goats are a boat....they weigh in close to 4000 lbs. 280 whp in 2900 lb car is more than likely to "keep up" with a 6.0. Many 2.5 pullied guys (biggest mod to get to 270-280 whp mark, obviously you need suppourting mods and bolt ons) have been only running low to mid 13's....you know why? Traction problems...but they are trapping anywhere from 107-109...I think i've seen 110 but i wouldn't be able to back that up...with my 2.8, 42lb injectors, maf translator, catback exhaust, and cai I hung with my friends ls2 gto. He still beat me, but wasn't even a car length. My friends 05 SRT4 acr that runs only a 13.5 at the track puts a car length on him...GTO's have a lot of HP but they also have a lot of WEIGHT.
Yes, the GTO's are a bit heavier, but the LS2's are still running, with the right driver and keeping in mind that the M6 is a tough tranny to get used to, very low 13's all day long. The 04 GTO's with the LS1 are running mid to high 13's with the right driver. Believe it or not that 50 extra hp makes a bit of a difference. GTO's are beasts and are pretty damn quick, but our Cobalts aren't anything to laugh at. I have noticed with my years of driving that you cannot judge any car by butt power.
Back to the original poster, I give you props on keeping up. Weather it was an 04 or newer, and weather he really knew what he was doing or not doesn't matter. What happened, happened. Because of my wack work schedule, I have not had the chance to get any real worth while races, other then 2 SRT's over the last couple months and a full size Ram with the Viper motor. Started reeling in one of the SRT's, beat the other by about a car, and the Ram had not chance, but all of them were cool peeps which is what we need more of.
01-02-2007, 12:32 AM
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Hey Tony, we actually have a couple pretty quick Cobeys out our way. So far I think the closest and fastest is from Cherry Hill. He has some good mods done and was tuned at Tune Time Performance also..Just like TXRLU said, the aftermarket for our cars is still building, give it a bit longer and watch what happens. lol..I will however disagree about the Cobalt going Turbo like he says, but we will not get into that conversation.
01-02-2007, 01:35 AM
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TonyGXP - The biggest roadblock with these cars is the blower thats on them . That problem is about to addressed by 2 avenues . Eaton with there new TVS blowers and Tag who is adapting a Whipple for our application . Up until recently , other than swapping totally over to a turbo , no aftermarket co. has stepped up to help us . You cant just buy a single Whipple or kenne bell blower outside of a complete kit . The problem with the M62 , is once you get smaller than a 2.8 pulley it gets very inefficient and starts heating up the air .
Once the new blowers are here ( neither are ready yet ) , watch out for Turbo like power figures . Then maybe the SS will get some kinda respect it deserves
Once the new blowers are here ( neither are ready yet ) , watch out for Turbo like power figures . Then maybe the SS will get some kinda respect it deserves
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01-02-2007, 01:49 AM
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Are you nuts? I ran a 14.2 stock and now I have intake and ingalls td. A 6.0 GTO will rape a stock cobalt ss/sc. I don't care if its from a dig or from a roll. Maybe if they are a horrible driver you can get close. I drove a 6.0 GTO at the track and was stock. Ran 13.5 just about every run. That was the first time I drove one too. Only chance we have is Stage II.
Edit Post: I do have to give you props for keeping up.
01-02-2007, 01:51 AM
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LS2 Stock Classes:
1) NYTIGER 12.920 @ 109.40 MPH
2) Boilermaker GTO 12.9299 @ 106.89 MPH
3) 05torridred60 12.971 @ 108 MPH - SAP mufflers
4) jumbojet 12.974 @ 108.08 MPH
5) BlackSheep 12.98 @ 108 MPH
6) GTOboss 13.007 @ 108.52mph
7) KYGTO 13.035 @ 108.96 MPH
8) Judgethis05 13.036 @ 108.72
9) hookmechanic 13.074 @ 106.76 MPH
10) SloNlo 13.086 @ 108.75 MPH
11) TheCamel 13.112 @ 108.49 MPH
12) BadGTO 13.14 @ 104.99 MPH
13) Lord Vador 13.132 @ 108.85 MPH
14) Helicoprion 13.20@106.9
15) Joey D 13.236 @ 104.79 MPH
LS1 Stock classes:
1) H82BSLOGTO 13.09 @ 105.00
2) ls1gto 13.10 @ 107.3 MPH
3) TRU GTO 13.136 @ 105.76 MPH
4) GTwhoa 13.15 @ 105.35 MPH
5) nutiger 13.245 @ 104.86 MPH
6) GTONEWB 13.248 105.99 MPH
7) slammin86 13.27 @ 105.46 MPH
8) nikivee 13.3 @ 104.00 MPH
9) 1meangoat 13.307 @ 104.61 MPH
10) Nmbr1GMfan 13.390 @ 104.54 MPH
11) win98nogood 13.393 @ 105.10 MPH
http://www.ls2gto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106613
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01-02-2007, 02:01 AM
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01-02-2007, 02:06 AM
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oh and not to thread jack, but if none of you saw the video i posted on here of me racing the gto, it brought alot of heat over on the ls1gto.com site, and they all called bs. because they all wanted more proof i will be racing one of their members come track season in his supposedly bone stock ls2. i have told him i do not expect to win because i know the ls2's are faster than the ls1's, but that he will be surprised. my buddy with the ls1 i raced should be there too, so look forward to a very very important video in the next couple months.
01-02-2007, 02:44 AM
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Hey Tony welcome over !!! I didn't think I would ever see you here. You got the TBSS running good I wish we had ours running that well but the warranty and funds are holding us back plus its the little womans daily driver...Zed A.K.A. "Storm 5.3" over on PT.net...
01-02-2007, 06:31 AM
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This is a quote from the LS2GTO website I'm a member of concerning the same Cobalt SS owned by Mines_Better. The original Poster has a 5.7 GTO but his GTO is putting over 400 HP to the wheels with a whole slew of Mods.
Originally Posted by LS2GTO Member
I also got to admit he only fell away about as fast as the 05 GTO did at the track so some of you guys better tighten your belt, the youngsters are gaining on us.........I'll stick by my prediction you guys (Cobalt SS Guys) are coming on strong and the 04-06 guys that are stock better be practicing.
01-02-2007, 07:51 AM
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Your a bit on the light side
1. There is reallt no weight variation among GTOs to speak of. Ony options that change the weight are transmssions, 18" rims and the sport packages.
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The car somes with the automatic as standard equilment and Pontiac lists the weight at 3,725 lbs.
3. Between 800-900lbs heaver the an S/C SS would be what weight difference your loooking at.
1. There is reallt no weight variation among GTOs to speak of. Ony options that change the weight are transmssions, 18" rims and the sport packages.
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The car somes with the automatic as standard equilment and Pontiac lists the weight at 3,725 lbs.
3. Between 800-900lbs heaver the an S/C SS would be what weight difference your loooking at.
01-02-2007, 09:28 AM
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Your a bit on the light side
1. There is reallt no weight variation among GTOs to speak of. Ony options that change the weight are transmssions, 18" rims and the sport packages.
2.
The car somes with the automatic as standard equilment and Pontiac lists the weight at 3,725 lbs.
3. Between 800-900lbs heaver the an S/C SS would be what weight difference your loooking at.
1. There is reallt no weight variation among GTOs to speak of. Ony options that change the weight are transmssions, 18" rims and the sport packages.
2.
The car somes with the automatic as standard equilment and Pontiac lists the weight at 3,725 lbs.
3. Between 800-900lbs heaver the an S/C SS would be what weight difference your loooking at.
Cobalt SS/SC = 2900lbs
3725lbs - 2900lbs = 825lbs
The sport package on the GTO wouldn't really add weight since the mufflers it uses weigh much less than the stock mailboxes.
And not to discredit the posted video of SS/SC vs LS1 GTO but, the LS1's that I have riden in make aot more noise than that at WOT.
01-02-2007, 12:22 PM
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damn this thread got a lot of posts since ive been gone!!! haha! well first off, i agree with everyone about needing injectors for this thing. long story, but i just got the money to get them, so it shouldnt be long.
anyway, as far as the races go, i was in complete disbelief when the first one took place. i thought one of two things could have happened. A) he was just messing with me, or B) he wasnt used to the tranny.
then a few days later i run into this other guy with the silver one. after this run, i was starting to doubt my own disbelief. i thought, "is this really happening? WTF!!??" i didnt believe that 2 different GTO's in 2 different cities could have both given me the exact same outcome.
i have seen and heard what these things can do, so it was quite the shock for me. there could have definitely been factors involved that gave me an advantage such as, start speed, weight, DRIVER(thats a big one), and the break in of their cars. both were the newer 6.0's.
and also keep in mind, these were both races that only lasted through 2nd, 3rd, and the first bit of 4th. after 70-80mph the first GTO started to show me why he paid more for his car, haha!
im glad this thread has stayed pretty friendly though.
anyway, as far as the races go, i was in complete disbelief when the first one took place. i thought one of two things could have happened. A) he was just messing with me, or B) he wasnt used to the tranny.
then a few days later i run into this other guy with the silver one. after this run, i was starting to doubt my own disbelief. i thought, "is this really happening? WTF!!??" i didnt believe that 2 different GTO's in 2 different cities could have both given me the exact same outcome.
i have seen and heard what these things can do, so it was quite the shock for me. there could have definitely been factors involved that gave me an advantage such as, start speed, weight, DRIVER(thats a big one), and the break in of their cars. both were the newer 6.0's.
and also keep in mind, these were both races that only lasted through 2nd, 3rd, and the first bit of 4th. after 70-80mph the first GTO started to show me why he paid more for his car, haha!
im glad this thread has stayed pretty friendly though.
01-02-2007, 12:29 PM
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