ZX2Fast

A friend of mine drove up from Ohio to go to the track with me this weekend. We got rained out so we just hung around my apartment playing Halo and cleaning up the cars. Get hungry and head out to Arby's for something to eat. Didn't bother taking the camera since we are just going to eat, no one will race me anymore anyway. So, of course, someone races me. I just took off from a light when (from the right side of the road) a Mustang pulls out from the gas station. He doesn't really take off at all and I'm guessing he is waiting for me to get next to him. He doesn't wait long, I'm accellerating normal and just shifted to 2nd and I'm going about 40 mph and pacing him at his rear bumper. He doesn't want to wait for me to get even with him and I hear his tires squeal. So I punch it (so he got a jump on me) and by the time I'm halfway through 3rd (about 65 mph) I'm passing him and quickly pulling on him. I figured I proved my point and we are coming up on traffic so I let off. We get into a parking lot and he recognizes my car from being parked outside of work all week. Compliments how fast it is and just how surprised he was that I started reeling him in so quick after he got the jump. His car is a 92ish Mustang 5.0 with the automatic. And from what I could hear it was catless and dual piped. There is a measured 1/4 mile out here so we went out there. I got a shitty launch so just gave up on trying to beat him (trying not to break this transmission) so I just take it easy and only get a slow pull and take him by a half car at the end. My buddy ran the stopwatch and we turned out a 15.2. The previous night I ran a 14.28 on that 1/4 road. I'm happy with my low 14 second old ass ZX2.

1gmfanatik

Nice deal man..That's cool that you came across a decent guy. Nice time too

codyss

I remember how much fun I had in my 1991 Mustang GT.

Aren't really considered fast these days but they sound nice with the right exhaust.

sSsuPerChaRgEd07

lol I own a cobalt ss s/c but I don't know where the hell these stories come from my 94 mustang gt ate the **** out of every ss s/c I ever seen and by an embrassment a mustang 5.0 with just a full exaust system and intake gets in the mid 13s. my mustang now runs mid 12s but when I seen ss s/cs when I just had the full exhaust I was emberassing them I'd pull so hard they would just stop. the ss s/c has some ***** but in reality a mustang with little work can easily eat these cars. if u put a s/c on a mustang forget about it

VeNNy06SS/SC

Just incase you missed it the orignal poster has a : 1998 Escort ZX2, T3 Super 60 @ 8-10 psi, Fidanza flywheel, Spec stage 2 clutch, B&M shifter, JDM FMIC, 2.5" charge pipes, MSD coil, Ford Racing 9mm wires, Ford Racing UDP, Trubendz 2.5" mandrel bent stainless steel exhaust, Custom built LED rear reflector brake light........ Not a cobalt

Acidangel_5.0

ill use my Corso on this one... "Not so fast my friend" stock on stock the SS/SC will win vs Fox and SN-95 Gen I... Gen II are drivers races... anything past that it comes down to mod listing depending on matchup

jekqmb

Ive seen 87 foxes with lontubes/catback and gears run 13's with good tires cause thats the lightest year for the fox the fox, but sn95's are big piles of junk, it take more then full exhaust to get them to run 13's, you need gears and some other stuff to get those cars running good, stock they run high 14's. If you PI swap them then you have a 13 second car. Hahaha and 94-95 oh and 96 cause of the intake manifolds blowing were the biggest terds of them all, sounds like you really know your stangs man. Ya for high 14 to low 15 second mustangs!

sSsuPerChaRgEd07

I don't know where u get high 15s from stock 94 gts run 14.2 bone stock you can look at just about any 1/4 time site to see that you do full exhaust work to a mustang from headers back u get a mid 13 second car that's what I got after the gt40 kit and 373 gears got me into the mid 12s. and no I didn't see his poster I assume its a cobalt cause this is cobaltss.net

04YellowGT

Im going to tell you right now there is not one 94-95 GT with just exhaust and intake that has ran a mid 13 run. The 94-95 GTs were dogs simple as that and were high 14 low 15 second cars. I know 2 guys that both have 95 GTs are excellent drivers and had more mods than that and ran 13.8x on average.


To the original poster, very good runs. I love the 5.0s even though they are slow but they can be made pretty fast.

sSsuPerChaRgEd07

well then mine was a freak out the factory then once I put the fender intake headers off road x pipe and american thunder flow masters with a msd coild and ignition I was easily in the mid 13s no bullshit maybe they get a bad name cause people buy them and beat the **** out of them but mine was babied by mom till 98000

Acidangel_5.0

you just got a lucky draw or when you bought the car there has been some more tinkering... ive never seen an sn95 run those times.. no where close.. and im a mustang lover and enthusiast... but removing your freak car.. a stock on stock matchup is going to lean in the favor of the ss/sc.. but like always there are a million factors that can determine the outcome.. and just for a reference..

i actually had a buddy of mine race my 06' ss/sc while i drove my 88 Fully built 88 5.0 and the outcome was EXTREMELY surprising.. from a roll start of around 55mph.. i could only pull to about a 1 - 1.5 length on the ss/sc and we ran up to about 140... stangs = dogs on the top end.. but thats where this little car shines..
now if i lined em up from a dig.. mustang win easily 10-15+ lengths no questions asked

ZX2Fast

Thanks guys. I go to the track often and even the modded Mustangs struggle to get into the 13's. It takes a bit more then a few bolt-on's to get it done.

Blainestang

While I agree with most of you that an SN-95 is not likely to run mid-13's with I/E, I wouldn't assume so quickly that the SS/SC has the guaranteed win against a Fox.

If the driver in a 5-speed Notch 5.0 knows what he's doing, an SS/SC may be surprised in a 1/4-mile race, especially since most SS/SC's are running mid-high 14's, not the low-ish 14's that they're capable of. A well-driven, well-maintained 5-speed 5.0, especially a Notch, is definitely capable of running mid-high 14's.

04YellowGT

Factory Freaks run a .1-.2 maybe even .3 faster. Intake gives you nothing and you might have picked up 20-30RWHP form the exhaust and ignition upgrades. I would say it had some stuff done to it when purchased becuase even if it ran .6 faster with mods and it being a "Freak" that would only put you in the low 14s at best.

8cd03gro

a good intake like maybe a jlt is good for 10rwhp on a 92 fox...that's not nothing...anyway, nice kill zx2.

04YellowGT

Thats not even accurate, JLT make great products but they even rate their products too high. Unless your car is blown, head/cam or have a big cube motor (Corvette) intakes do jack for a car. Most intakes will see the same gain that you see by replacing the paper filter.

8cd03gro

wtf are you judging that by? There are many independent dyno's around showing pretty good gains, but you will always see the best gains with an intake that requires a tune (larger maf housing or similar). Still many cars have quite restricitive intakes...Hell my car for example, the highest with the stock airbox and a k&n filter is still only about 205whp/220rwtq and a few guys have dynoed 215-220whp 240rwtq with TI intake and the same mods....You aren't going to gain nothing from an intake, even if it is just 5whp, 5whp across the entire usable rpm range is gonna make a bit of adifference.

04YellowGT

Ask any guy, especially 2V Mustang guys, that has actually dynoed their car (even mildly modified car) before and after with just adding an intake and tell me how much power they put down. I know guys that have bought 2-3 different intakes and dynoed each one and not one of them picked up more the 2-3rwhp which could just be the dyno. Yes an intake and a TUNE will net some gains but it’s the TUNE that’s netting the gains not the intake. I put a K&N FPIK2 on my car with a tune and picked up 10rwhp, I then put the stock air box back on and dynoed it again and put down the same exact number. Believe it or not the stock air boxes on MOST cars aren't as bad as you’d think. I have been told and seen the 3Vs are actually getting some decent gains out of a new intake but they also require a tune. You say that the V6s go from 205/220 to 215-220/240 so your saying that a V6 picked up 10-15 rwhp and 20tq sorry something else is playing a factor in this. Now I could be wrong but I just highly doubt it. I have close to 25-30 dyno runs on my car and have witnessed 100s more and trust me the only cars that gain that much power from an intake are FI, H/C and LS1/LS2 cars. Also 5rwhp gain is NOTHING on a car no matter if it’s under the curve or not. When I put exhaust and a new tune on my car I picked up 20/15 and couldn't feel a difference but did pick up about .1 in the 1/4. I know every little bit helps but what I’m saying is, if that is the only thing you adding to the car, you can spend your money better else where on other parts. I'm not trying to be a dick about this but I have seen way too many 5.0s and 94-04 4.6s test out these products to know what makes power and what doesn't and trust me intakes DO NOT make power.

Also even the “independent” dyno tests will show a higher gain unless it’s just some guy that’s testing them by him self. Any magazine or performance shop is going to show or say the product of the company that’s paying them as making the most power. Trust me on that I’ve seen MMFF do this numerous times on exhaust and heads for the 4.6. Patriot Performance is a big sponsor of MMFF and MMFF recommends them all the time and says how they gained so much power, now I wonder why.

zach ls/ss

all i know is i had a 96 gt with mac longtubes, h-pipe w/high flow cat, borla catback, k&n intake, accufab throttle body, underdrive pulleys, 3000 stall converter, 3:73's, shift kit.. took it to the track and the best i had was a 14.9... yeah i was mad.. and no im not a bad driver cause it was an auto and i was launching at 2300 rpm's.. and nice race zx2

8cd03gro

independent meaning guys i know or guys on the forums that test on the same day on the same dyno. You see, the thing is, with some cars there actually is a pretty big gain because some intakes are quite restrictive. And like i said intakes that require a tune (with a tune) at least on the 4.0 show a good 10hp over just a k&n filter and a tune. The bottle neck of our intakes is the maf-s housing, and that is why these intakes that show more require a tune, because they change the maf-s housing size which would make you run super lean. If you don't beleive what i am saying go check out the 4.0 section at mustangforums.com. There are some guys there putting down 215-20ish rwhp on manuals with just intake/tune/axle back and most only put down 185ish stock. The MOST we have seen from an axle back is 9-10rwhp, and the few that actually stayed with the stock airbox and got dyno tunes and have comparable other bolt ons are seeing at most 210rwhp likely less. So what i am telling you, is some n/a cars benefit from intakes that aren't huge v8's or f/i engines. Hell i hate to reference them but look at the ******* k20's running around with 35whp over stock because of lt header/tune/intake. From an n/a 4-cylinder that is unthinkable but it happens and from what i have heard from some 5.0 guys a good intake with other mods will still show a decent gain over the stock airbox...

are you sure you weren't a bad driver cause you should have been MUCH quicker than that. no offense, but i mean automatic 4.0's are running 14.9's with just an intake/tune and some manuals are running around there stock and it seems we are right around equal with sn-95 gt's stock for stock...

R&C_rallySS

Thats a pretty rare set up you have with a Escort. Kinda neat and differant. I know if I was around your area though I would race you

LOL, mustangs in 1992 were 5.0 not 4.0. I do agree with one thing though, they were like 15 second cars I thought. Maybe high 14s.

8cd03gro

read it over dude....and read the thread. i was using the 4.0 as an example....do you really think i would think they had a 4.0 in 92 when i have the 4.0 in my car?

04YellowGT

Like I said MOST cars' air box isn't that restrictive but I guess the 4.0's is. I still find it hard to belive but I guess it could be. Also I dont get the "MAF housing" your talking about. On the 99-04 MAF all it is a plastic piece of pipe with a sensor coming off of it. What is it like on the 05+ V6 and GTs?


As to the driver with the auto GT with full mods, what was your 60' becuase you should have been in the 13s with a 1.6-1.8 60' with the stall and other bolt ons. You can still be a bad driver with an Auto, you still have to know how to launch an auto especialy with a stall amd I hope you had some DRs for that.

zach ls/ss

my 60 foot was 2.058 and 1/8 was 9.504 and 1/4 at 14.981 at 89.62 mph. well i had my foot on the gas and brake and the light before green i let go of the brake and punched it to the floor. i was around 2300 rpm when i let go the brake. no i didnt have DR's and i did spin some. oh well.. its over now and i got a cobalt

codyss

When I had my 1991 GT I also had a 1996 Beretta Z26 so I could afford to beat the GT.

My best time all stock except for a K&N Filter was 14.7 @ 96mph with quite a few low 15's. These runs were on BFG Comp T/A VR4 tires.




As for the CAI stuff, on a Mustang GT they are all about under hood bling and nothing else. A simple K&N drop-in and snorkel removal or shortning flows just as good. When I had my 2003 GT I always thought it was funny when guys would preach about there huge CAI and MAF housing. Take a peek inside a stock upper plenum and intake inlet and it's pretty easy to see that the biggest intake in the world won't make alot of difference.

My GT was all Ford Racing and I made more power with the intake mod, cleaning up the upper plenum adding a FRPP 70mm TB and small upper plenum spacer than guys with full CAI and upper plenums.