daxfas26

what showdown? what is this thread about?

SlowLSJ

here a video me and my buddys 02 SS, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaUsrJI7ceg

cobaltssredtint

i raced a firebird which is a ls1 and i know for a fact that it was a manual.....we did a 40 mph roll and i pulled straight and managed to spin my tires and we got on it.....then my car surprises me now and then....for only being stage 2 , i beat a lot of cars that i wasn't suppose to beat

ChriSS/SC

I have the GMPP Cat-Back.. So as far as that goes.. They can't say ****. Now.. my Header / DP combo that im putting in is the ZZP Mid-Length along with a 3" catted ZZP Downpipe. It will only void warranty on the part of the car that they can PROVE (not say) was damaged by the modified parts. If they can't PROVE that the damage was caused by your new parts they can't void anything. Plus, Exhaust is almost impossible to cause harm to the car... If anything it will benefit many aspects bro so don't even worry about it. Now as far as my Intake.. I'm putting in the Injen... But that is visible when you pop the hood and it's just asking for problems when you take it in.. So I'd just say take off the intake every time you go to your dealership.

Where do you live in SJ by the way bro?.... Anywhere near SJSU?

compucarnut

That is a ricer mentality these people have because a four banger with an auto usually means a base model sport compact with no power, hence the belief that an AUTO LS1 is going to be WAY slower than an M6

I have owned a bunch of F bodies, mostly 3rd gen's with fully built 383's, and I can tell you that all the FAST guys (like 11s, 10s, 9s) all swapped over to automatics.

My own car, an 88 formula with a fully built canfield headed solid cam nitroused 355, had to be swapped to Th350 with a 9 inch stall, because you get to a power level where the automatics just keep you in the power band longer no matter how fast you can shift.


Let these guys keep thinking an auto is slow...................until you go blasting by them in your "slow" A4 Ls1. hahah.

Roll or dig, my vote is to the auto LS1, and this is coming from quite a few years of street/drag experience with the LS1, LT1, L98, ect... T-5's and T-56s are for mere driving pleasure. The real serious cars run autos..........

cobalts/css

Yeah I know thats just most peoples mentality on standards and autos. On the race hopefully we can run and have the video up at some point this weekend. A 40 is right in the middle of my "dead spot" but I think it will be fine once it gets going. I timed it last night with a friend and we went from 40 to 90 in 7 sec flat. We went and did the same in his car which is a ott stage 1 sc ss cobalt and his did it in 9.1. He hasn't got the car logged so the redline is still set at 6,500 or whatever stock is, so I'm sure it will get quicker with the 7.000 redline. The main difference in his car and venomss is venom will have a 2.85 not a 2.8 and venom has the spec 3+ clutch, a fidanza lightweight flywheel, and header. Guess we will just have to give it a go and see how it plays out. LOL

coopn8r

I raced a 02 ls1 auto ss that had headers exhaust and tune.. It wasn't to pretty for him It was also a 40 roll, right off the bat I pulled 2, but I've a little more done than a 2.8 and some exhaust.. Should be a very very close race with the ls1 starting to pull up top. IMO that is :P

bbitz06

soo... i rode in the camaro and i have now come to the conclusion that the ss/sc has no chance.........

CobaltVenomSS

iTrader: (2)

bitz u know im getting a full tune not what u got lol

bbitz06

it doesnt matter his car is nasty

coopn8r

Camaros feel a lot faster :P My Camaro felt a ton faster than my redline.. Thats RWD for you.. But.. My redline would rape my camaro.. Not saying that this ss/sc will rape this ls1.. Just saying.. RWD feels a lot faster than fwd IMO

amxguy1970

A good friend of mine back in HS, his dad was an old school drag racer and built performance engines for a living. He once told me and it tends to stand true that until you get down to around 11 seconds (lower 11's) that a manual will be faster. It's not until after that a auto car will be able to up end a manual given a good driver with the same mods. Between the better power being put down and the better gearing it usually won't happen. Then once you get a good tranny with a stall is when you just can't beat one from a dig. Now just to put this into perspective, a friend of mine has a 5spd 89 mustang gt all built up, his car runs high tens at 126, same car with a new auto tranny and stall will run almost half a second faster (mid to higher tens) at about the same trap. Does that make sense now about the whole manual versus auto? The less power the cars are putting down the bigger the difference.

The LS1 autos are deemed slower because of the lack of good gearing, add that to the less power getting to the wheels and the horrible shift points and that is why everyone says that. Now its not like the car is slow, its just not as fast as the manual version at this point in time (it will still lay some smack down on the balts!).

Tyler

BH06SS/SC

you raced a formula. not a firebird.

LS2guy

I am by no means starting anything but why are a few of you still so cluelsess when it comes to LS1's? They have been out since 1998 yet some are still surprised or questioning what they can do. Given the age some are in need of maintainance or a good driver but otherwise in good hands they are low 13 second cars that trap around 108mph, in great hands they can pull high 12's. All SS's are not equal and SLP optioned cars are a little faster.

The other thing is that people call the LS2 GTO gods car yet few know that versus a LS1 F-Body it's a drivers race. I have had both and will directly confirm the truth in that and the F-Body is much easier to get out of the hole. The only real advantge the LS2 GTO has is after weight isn't a factor past 110mph but thats also when the GTO suspension really says slow the **** down or I will kill you.

So to sum it up:

If you can run faster than a 13.0 you will most likely beat a stock LS1.

coopn8r

He won't run faster than a 13.0 flat but then again its not a dig race but a 40 roll. So if he can trap 105+ then it will be a race. I've owned my fair share of f bodies. They're not underestimated by me

Anti Venom

roll race your just making it harder on ya

LS2guy

So why act as if a 40mph roll is any less of a strong point for the F-Body vs a SS/whatever? With the exception of a few messy downshift areas in a 2.73 geared auto all LS1's pull hard from 0-speed limiter.

cobalts/css

Its got the 323's in the rear from the factory. I'm really not worried about it even if he does win it doesn't really matter cause his car has a good amount of cash dropped into mods. I'm giving him the ideal race for him to give me a good run. We just dropped his car off and I threw the 60# injectors in at the guy who is tuning its house, so we will know by tomorrow night and have a vid.

compucarnut

after all this hype you guys BETTER make a damn video, and not a 7 second video in the dark like the last guy with the LS1 that missed a shift, lol

drew1991sf

wat kind of turbo set-up u got?

cobalts/css

Oh yeah we will do our best to make a good one. However it will probably be in the dark. : ( sorry I think he works all day tomorrow. Bbitz06 is gonna be the chaser car so we should be able to get some good footage. I told him that I want my ideal race as well from a dig but he said no cause he wouldn't be in the vid for more than 2 seconds. LOL So a 40 it is and I might talk him into doing a 55 roll as well. Oh and don't worry I won't miss a shift. LOL

coopn8r

Why do you think I'm putting down and LS version car or LT version car or any F-Body.. I LOVE those cars and respect them as well.. I didn't say anything about the car being slow from a roll.. I said that the Cobalt is horrible from a dig.. So... Okay? Calm down guy on roids..

I know exactly what an ss camaro will do and I also know exactly what a cobalt will do from 0-whenever.. I'm not saying that the cobalt has an advantage from a 40 roll.. I'm saying.. It doesn't have the DISadvantage of a dig race..

EXsoccer1921

iTrader: (14)

uhm....... 25mph??? and z28's are easy, i took a modded '95 from a dig and a roll by over2 cars each time

drew1991sf

mine was a LS1 Z28 so 98+

LS2guy

It doesn't take roids to make people tired of the go from a 40mph roll post that follows every damn racing thread here. Sure a 40mph roll is sweet in a Cobalt SS/whatever but I just learned how to launch my SS/SC to have fun dig or roll.