ItalianJoe1

iTrader: (10)

Just answer the ******* question retard. I don't give a ****, i'm just going off of rough estimates. What is it, like 648lbs? Not enough to matter.

I'm just wondering, i've pulled the life outta LS2 Goats more than once with more mods than yours, yet I wasn't really going anywhere quick against a stock 6sp C6 with just a tune, at least thats all he admitted to. Car looked/sounded 100% stock, I believe him. Just wondering if an auto makes them that much slower, thats all.

SLoW SHO

To give comparison my car was weighed at a track ~3625 and a Z51 C6 6spd weighed ~3325 so more like roughly a 300lb difference plus the autos should be even a little more heavy.

My car also makes 40whp more than a stock GTO and I don't really care who you claim to pull the life out of, its not me or my car. I ran low 12's on the same day a GTO with more mods than me couldnt get into the 12's.

JimzSS

you tube has a bunch of gto vs xxxx. car
some wins
some losses
just watched a bunch
oh boy

ItalianJoe1

iTrader: (10)

So your hearsay is better than mine, ok. I forgot, I can't ask anything of a GTO owner other than why the car is so much better than anything else. My mistake.

There is no 5 speed C6 BTW.

SLoW SHO

What hear-say? I was there first hand. And who said anything about a 5 spd c6???

JimzSS

watch some of the races on u tube...lol

ItalianJoe1

iTrader: (10)

I must have misread, I thought you had said that... my mistake.

Exactly, you saw what you saw, I saw what I saw, niether one believes the other...


End of the day, you still haven't answered my question


next stop: user cp -> subscribed threads -> remove subscription

Thanks, i'm done here.

EceSSiveMod

come on joe, you know that anyone that owns a gto automatically wins....

RedGoat

Look at GTO pull C5ZO6 9 mins in.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/R...TIs_187046.htm

2009cobaltss27

2 days a go i was ridin on the 10 fw wen GTO pulled next to me and started messin with me we took off on a roll abot 40mph all the way to abot 150 i lost by abot to 1 to a car in a half i lost bt i gave it to him after we were done he roll his window and gave me my props he said that all the cobalts he had race alway lose by 5 to 6 i only lost by a car in a half... i drive a 2009 cobalt ss turbocharged

SK360

This is one of the worst posts made in this thread....

Get the A4 if you want to be fast... is what you should have said.

BTW I cut 1.8 60's on street tires... seems to be hooking up just fine

that is pretty lulz....

agreed.

SS4EVER

Yeah, I'm looking at getting a 6-spd. For me it's a manual or nothing. I'm also planning on keeping it stock for the most part. If anything maybe later down the road, cams, headers & cat-back for the sound more than for the performance.

SK360

Singular!

SS4EVER

Camshaft* Sorry....

williamhvx1

lol
next stop: user cp -> subscribed threads -> remove subscription
classic joe! i will put it on my sig if i got more space.....

thedak

Can we keep it real in here ?

amxguy1970

THis will probably be my only post, and I did not read all 19 pages of crap but just incase this hasn't been covered. Top speed on a mild bolt on to stock GTO is 170ish (give or take a few MPH) and that is redline in fifth gear, sixth is an over drive and is too tall to pull it with out a bunch more power. If you do that math our sixth gear can take us to 240ish if I remember correctly? So how you are topping 180 I don't know.

Second, the auto he raced was probably a A4 which on top of taking away power is geared pretty bad, hence the reason a well geared M6 with bolt ons showed to walk one. I don't doubt it, but I figure it should be closer given the weight and better drag of the vette. I always wanted to race my buddies dad's A4 C6, but never got the chance to before he moved.

Third, I don't see a drop in tune TC staying with a dang near 400 whp GTO to 130, maybe 80, but third gear through fifth on the GTO M6 are mean. Maybe he blew the tires off and he played catch up? Almost 400 whp will get a GTO with good traction a mid-low 12 and a low teen trap 112-115?

You are right about the cam though as you know, I have also seen cam only LS2 put down 410, so that number could be even lower. Then again earlier on LS2GTO I saw a post of a guy who put down on a Chuck tune 470+ with out heads, so it can vary alot!

This is funny though how out of hand these threads get. I doubt I will come back to this thread because in 20 mintues I bet it will be 40 pages.....

I have heard the E46 M3's can max at 180 ish, but if that is what you say in fifth gear, then you must have a very very short sixth gear. Again those cars were designed for the autobahn and are geared accordingly, can of a pity though if you ask me as our cars can walk them pretty good and get better gas mileage with 8 cylinders. The new ones though are pretty dang impressive and it takes a bolt on GTO to stay next to or walk one to a point (I have heard the new ones will hit near 190ish).

That's my 2 cents, now back to your regularly scheduled arguement!

Tyler

Cobalt443

FINALLY...someone who gets it

LS2guy

A 1LT optioned C6 Z51 like mine weighs just under 3200lbs and the ones with 2LT & 3LT weigh just a tad more due to the addition of HUD, BOSE, etc.

As for the C6 he raced the 2005 was the only C6 that only had the four speed auto transmission. It sufferes from the same drawbacks most auto GM LSx cars/trucks do when it comes to picky up and down shift points when roll racing.

_____________________________

Just to add to the recent posts about GTO vs SS/TC.

My GTO was a 100% stock and when racing a SRT-4 with 270whp/300wtq it was a good race in the 1/4 but after 100mph I really started pulling on him.

EceSSiveMod

i was saying that from the perspective of a gto owner

Jackalope

Let me help you out here as you have a few things a tad bit off. It'll top out at 175 in 5th gear, 6th gear is where I've hit between 180 and 185. I get over 30MPG on the highway and so far thats better then the GTO owners that I've talked with. And lastly the E46 M3 stock 1/4 mile times were 13.3 to 13.8. Now as for mine I'm running 12.9's at 111mph with just a reflash and a K&N drop in filter. Can a GTO beat me? SURE as hell can! Can I beat GTO's? I sure as hell can! It all depends on the car, its mods, and the driver.

BTW the New M3 is govened just like the E46 was to 155mph and I don't know if a re-flash is out yet for them to get rid of it.

amxguy1970

I'm a little confused if you could help me out. First, your 6th gear must be hella short then to pull that with only what 300 whp ish? On top of that the M3 has a gas guzzler tax for a gas mileage of 16/24, how did you pick up 6 mpg with a performance tune and short 6th gearing? Your 6th has to be way closer to 5th and way shorter then our OD 6th, I take it yours isn't an OD gear? My GTO is advertised at 26 highway, I have seen 28.2 on a 3 hour jaunt with out touching cruise control set at 74 from Huntsville to Ennis. It isn't too bad on gas if you stay out of it or keep moving, it is when it is at idle that is eats fuel with its 6 liters. I know our cars won't pull 6th, but when it has the power to watch out cause 6th is long (we are limited by the drag more then anything else)!

Ya, you will for sure beat 04's that are stock or close to it, ditto with most 6.0's, but any bolt on 6.0 should walk ya.

I was reading that the new ones should hit around 190 or a hair more, is that the ungoverend european ones?

That is a very strong trap for your car, what did you trap stock? I guess BMW underrated these these motors tune wise? They only trap around 104ish stock? What were your stock numbers and new numbers? And do these car respond well to bolt ons or are they kind of wound out from the factory? Our cars will pick up around 40 hp with just bolt ons, I know 350z's don't respond well to mods for the fact the motors are pretty maxed to begin with.

I have always liked M3's, and I really dig the new ones too (I am a V8 guy at heart if you couldn't tell). I just never fit in them well (6'5 and a little under 300). Yours looks awesome, and the CSL wheels are what I want for my goat down the road as they look amazing! So yeah, enlighten me, as I always like learning about those M cars!

Tyler

Cobalt443

I know....I was being sarcastic as I AM a GTO owner

Jackalope

I see the problem! Mine's NOT a V8 car Mines a 2003 with the 3.2 litre straight 6 And I've never knocked any GTO, just for the record. As for stock #'s what maine did I couldn't tell you cause the first time it went to the track it was modded. My nieghbor across the street has a blacked out 5.7 GTO and ever race goes the same, we launch, he hooks up and pulls then mine bites and I walk past him. Yes he's bone stock.

LS2guy

If your running 12.9 @ 111mph and drive the same every race you will beat a stock LS2 GTO with ease. Your trap speed is 1mph higher than what a GTO is lucky to see and a 12.9 is hard to achieve in a 100% stock GTO.