amxguy1970

Just a little insight, to take down a 618rwhp cobra (procharged) takes approximatly 100 less hp in a C6 Zo6 to stay with it and with 550rwhp it goes plucking on by that cobra with fairly good ease! Why do you think a stock Z06 will run close to 130 MPH trap in the quarter with only 450-460 rwhp? Simple, weight, gearing and efficiency! Thats why my buddies first race was a loss in his procharged cobra, because he raced a Ron Fellows C6 Z06 and it was cammed, headers, intake and a tune to about 550ish rwhp. He said he jumped out form a low roll because of his 410's out back, and that vette went trucking on by him semi easily he said. They stopped after a 2 car lead. Remember, that is NA too! So to say a whipple cobra>C6 Z06 just becasue it can go to bigger power levels is stupid, because the vette puts it down sooo much more efficiently and would require a great deal less to run with the whippled/KB/Procharged cobras. I would love to see what a P&P job, with a big cam exhaust intake and a good tune would put down. I would guess north of 600rwhp in a 3100lb car. Do the math on that and get back to me. That would equal about 700rwhp in the cobra to keep it equal, then I would still bet the vette would pull because of its aerodynamics, gearing, and just how it puts the power down! Thats my 2 cents on this situation!

Tyler

BTW, if you run 700HP in the Cobra, you WILL have to replace stuff. Not the bottom end of the motor, but everything else will not hold up to a car designed at 370rwhp to begin with. A LS7 will handle 600NA HP easily, just like a 700hp cobra can handle it. But both cars will break things behind that motor. Don't go thinking the whole car is bullitt (sp?) proof just because the bottom end is!

cakeeater

i agree with this statement. The IRS is gonna **** you over at 700whp in a termi. The motor is fine though, even the top end, i wouldn't worry about that, but your clutch is gone, your gonna want to go to a solid rear axle, at least i would, and some other little things are gonna need tending to.

Super_SS

well, u might have luck on ur side and his car ***** uup during the race..but if it doesnt.....its gonna be nasty.

Evolvr2006

Keep in mind the Z06 also weighs how much less than the Cobra?? Similarly powered Z06's will walk a Cobra anyday.




That's what I was referencing with my Z06>Whipple Cobra statement.

cakeeater

so you're saying bolt on z06>whipple cobra. Got it. I just assumed you were talking stock.

04YellowGT

First a Cobra starts to push its limits past 550rwhp, trust me I know many, many, many guys that run these cars with high hp setups. Can you push them past 550hp yes with out a doubt, how far depends on how much you beat on it and what is all done to the car. My friend has a KB Cobra and was setup for nitrous, the car had a dead on tune and after the first week he threw a rod through the block. I think he was pushing 600whp no nitrous and threw the rod off the juice. Now it’s got a built block (with heads and cams I think) and is pushing 700 rwhp off the juice.

Second a KB or Whipple Cobra better be making some serious power w/ a built block to beat or hang with a Z06 from a roll up to 120+.

Here are some vids of some above average Cobras, a GT500, and C6 Z06:

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/7...78016aede5.htm

http://flatliner.blip.tv/file/320222/

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/0...7700c3d73e.htm

Trust me guys a stock block KB/ Whipple Cobra will not beat a Z06 with a good driver from a roll. I think people get this mind set that Cobras are indestructible and can handle 1000hp but the fact is there parts still can and do break and the safe point is around 550rwhp. I know numerous Cobra owners and am around them enough to know quite a bit about them.

I’m a Ford lover and especially Mustang but I don’t bullshit and talk up a car more than it is just because I like it , I tell it the way it is, if another car is faster its faster there is nothing you can do about it…..other than make yours faster. LOL

Cooldbz12

Whipple Cobra (610rwhp) vs The New Z06
*Z06 guy bows down to the Cobra.
Whipple Cobra > Z06

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6l5BYglRd0o

04YellowGT

Sorry dude but a 610rwhp Whipple Cobra wouldn't pull a Z06 that bad with a good driver. There was multiple car lengths put on that Z06 fairly quickly, I would say he was in the wrong gear or couldnt bang through the gears very well.

Once again this is coming from a Mustang guy who has many friends that own 03/04 Cobras.

Cooldbz12

The new Z06 only dynoes around 450rwhp it takes a mustang around 80-100 more hp to keep up or beat a corvette from a roll, that Cobra was making around 150 more hp to the wheels than the corvette i dont see why not.

Hear is one of a KB Cobra 611rwp vs a Z06 Vette Supercharged w/ ~550rwhp and its perty much a even match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8Z9qZZmWmw

Im not really sure what the new Z06 traps but here is a cobra with only 516rwhp running a best of 10.9 and trapping a best of 128mph in the 1/4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNsb4HFWdiE

FNFAST

I also know two KB owners (which are nowhere near as fast as a whipple mind you) and a whipple cobra owner.

The whipple has been running 680 whp for about 15000 mile of pure beat the **** out of it on stock parts and not a problem yet.

As far as your buddy's who own them are concerned...tell them to learn how to drive. A kenne bell or whipple will not lose to a stock Z06. I have personally been in all 3...maybe you should too before you start saying what is what.

New Z06's are wicked fast. Fastest stock car I have ever been in...including the viper GTS by some length...but a whippled cobra will do pretty much what you just saw in the video against a new Z06...it isn't pretty.

KB Cobras usually run about 585whp.

Whipples usually run about 650+whp depending on pulley. The last whipple cobra I was looking at for purchase had 780whp. Z06 isn't touching that.

nice


A little broad though...there are some fast fours...torque or no torque :

chevysalesman614

just save the gas, it's not even worth it.

R&C_rallySS

Yea, takes some major mods and a supercharger for a V-8 Ford to barly surpase a Chevy V-8. Same old news...everyone knows it. I also feel bad for any mustangs trying to out handle a Corvette...lol

chevysalesman614

i feel bad for you. you just disrespected a terminator in a room full of mustang owners....

Evolvr2006

It also take the Corvette another 30-40K to beat the Mustang..... since you wanna be like that.

I love both cars. I'm shooting to own a new Z06 in the next little while. But if that falls through, I'm gonna grab me an 03-04 Cobra. For the price alone, the Cobra is a killer.

Also, the engine in the Cobra was built FOR the supercharger. Low compression pistons and the like were put in on purpose to run the supercharger. I'm sure they could have made good power on a N/A engine, but it would probably have nowhere near the ease of making big power with simple mods.

FNFAST

2fastforyouraSS

prolly by 6 cars.. Im wondering what will happen to me my neighbor is trying to race me he has basically the same mods but a 2.8 pulley.. Im prolly gunna spray, if the weather is right I think I might have a chance, it will definately be on video

cakeeater

yea ok buddy.

2fastforyouraSS

it all depends on the mods.. I personally love both listen to this monster http://videos.streetfire.net/video/8...c851bf28ca.htm

04YellowGT

Lets seem my one firend in a ported Eaton with stock heads and cams ran 11.0 so I think he knows how to drive.

I honestly hope you don't think that Cobra motors are built for 650+rwhp because there not. Hell John Colettie said so him self that the motors weren't safe after 550rwhp and he was the head honcho of the Cobra Project. Can the motors be pushed past that, yes they can but not for long? Of course youll get a freak that will handle 800rwhp but it too will eventually go, there ewas a guy running 550 rwhp on a STOCK GT motor for 3 years and it finally blew like last year.

I will admit that quite a few cars can beat a Bone Stock Z06 in the 1/4 mile but if you race one from a roll past 100mph you better make sure you have quite a few car lenghts already on it or a lot of power becase those things will run you down.

I've been in KB, Whipple and Turbo Cobras and Ive been in stock and modified C6 Z06s and they all run VERY STRONG but a Z06 runns extreamly stong past 100mph.

Onyxd04Redline

No it doesn't. Just look at the "Cammer" engine. 5L's and 400horsepower. So ford used a supercharger instead of going N/A. Can you imagine how badass the LS2 would be with a supercharger from the factory.

FNFAST

All motors will eventually go...thats just the name of the game.



If I race a corvette and I still have him at 100mph...I'm not going to keep going until 140, just so he can real me in.

Thats like saying...man...when you race a viper once you get to 140 he is gonna start making up ground. Good for him...his car is fast where he will barely ever use it. Good Job corvette owner.

This is the best:

The fastest C6 Z06 on record WITH SLICKS ran a 10.8...Once. So your buddy with a ported stock blower cut damn near the same time...and you think a Z06 stands a chance against a built whipple???????

Give me a break man...your helping me prove my point with comments like that.

Can a whipple cobra out handle the Z06? Hell no.

Can a stock Z06 keep up with a Built whipple straight lining it...hell no...

You have been in all three as well...don't give me that jibberish...you should know.

Modded...thats a different story. But, modded vs stock...it ain't happening...even in fairy tale land.

Cooldbz12

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04YellowGT

Yes all motors will go but not all motors blow after 20,000 miles.

Well when a Z06 traps in the mid 120s bone stock I think they'll use it. It seems like for knowing so much about these cars you'd know that most high power cars do highway races from 60-120 mph sometimes 130+. I don’t know how many races only run from 60-100 because in any car like a Cobra or Z06 that is a matter of just a few seconds.

Trust me, I’ve raced my friends C6 Corvette with heads, cam, and full bolt ons that puts down 470 on a dynojet which is more than what a stock Z06 puts down and when we race I hang with him pretty good and then around 90-100 mph he starts to pull on me very hard.

Have you ever been in a C6 Z06 or a highly modified C6, the faster they go the harder they pull.

The only thing I’m helping you prove is that a Z06 can beat from a dig. What you don’t understand I'm talking highway rolls, not from a dig. Hell my car will keep up with or beat a bone stock Z06 in the 1/4 mile. I know for a fact though it will not hang with one past 100 from a roll. The car is a beast from a roll especially anything over 100mph, that’s the point I’m trying to make, yes a KB car might run mid to high 10s with a 1.4-1.5 60’ but after 100 they start to die off due to weight and aerodynamics of the cars.

This was the point I was trying to make, it takes a BUILT Whipple/KB/Turbo Cobra to beat a Z06. I never said that a Cobra couldn't beat a Z06 my point was that a stock block Cobra unless a freak or on the verge of breaking could not beat a Z06. A 600rwhp Cobra would hang with or very slightly (less than a car) beat a Z06 but by the looks of the one video there were 3-4 car lenghts put on the Z06.

I know Cobras are fast, they're too fast really and weather you beat or get beat buy a C6 Z06 at the end of the day they are both extreamly fast cars. My car is more than a handful on the street even with MT DRs on and I could not imagine having another 100-200+ rwhp in my car. I was thinking about adding a 50-100 dry shot nitrous through my intercooler but the car is so damn fast now I don't think I want to now.

SwizzDSMSS

Thank you for being the only one in this thread that knows what they are talking about. I didnt even want to waste my time on this. hahah Yellow is a smart man!