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09-03-2005, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tofu
Hey no problem man, and I agree with you. There are tons of Mustang GT owners out there who think their car is God's gift to racing and seem to think they need to prove it to everyone by acting like idiots on the road. But, on the same note, you have those kinds of people in every car catagory. 
09-04-2005, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chadder
wow...you guys are very uneducated about the Mustang GT... the ~98's are slow because of some crappy manifolds. They have the 4.6L and makes around 190 or so to the wheels, but they have LOTS of torque, so gears and a new set of manifolds will make them RUN. The 99-2004's have pretty much the same engine as the ~98 model, still 'just' a 4.6L, but with different stock manifolds. The 99-2004's have 260hp stock and lots and lots of tq also. A buddy of mine with an '03 GT ran a 13.7@101 the other day. I have doubts that you guys would 'easily rape' a 99+GT. If anything, it would be a really close race, from a roll. But they would kill you guys from a stop.
Its not the manifolds it is the heads. The 99 gt got a nice bump in power due to better flowing heads. Also 96-98 gts are not 14 second cars stock, there 15 second cars. The 99-04 usually run mid 14's although every mustang owner and his brother will yap about how they can run 13's stock. In fact I bet I get at least one guy who will quibble with me and at least know someone who ran a 13.x.
Tofu, was that run down with nothing but gears and headers? Stock rubber? Stock paper filter? Stock suspension?
09-04-2005, 02:55 PM
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The 99-04 GT changes were known as PI (Power Increase) and consited of better flowing heads and a better flowing intake along with the supporting ECM modifications.
Although the 1998 GT's were rated a couple of HP higher than 96-97 due to the addition of a larger exhaust (2.5 vs 2.25) but 99-04 returned to the 2.25 exhaust.
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords got a 100% stock 99-04 GT to run a best of 13.79 after handfulls of 14 second passes. But unlike SRT-4 guys at least Mustang fans don't act as if all GT's run 13.7's. For the most part a three accross race SS vs GT vs SRT-4 would come down to the driver.
Although the 1998 GT's were rated a couple of HP higher than 96-97 due to the addition of a larger exhaust (2.5 vs 2.25) but 99-04 returned to the 2.25 exhaust.
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords got a 100% stock 99-04 GT to run a best of 13.79 after handfulls of 14 second passes. But unlike SRT-4 guys at least Mustang fans don't act as if all GT's run 13.7's. For the most part a three accross race SS vs GT vs SRT-4 would come down to the driver.
09-04-2005, 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by clownhair
Wow, the guy who came in to correct us is even wrong Its not the manifolds it is the heads. The 99 gt got a nice bump in power due to better flowing heads.
Also 96-98 gts are not 14 second cars stock, there 15 second cars. The 99-04 usually run mid 14's although every mustang owner and his brother will yap about how they can run 13's stock. In fact I bet I get at least one guy who will quibble with me and at least know someone who ran a 13.x.
Tofu, was that run down with nothing but gears and headers? Stock rubber? Stock paper filter? Stock suspension?
Its not the manifolds it is the heads. The 99 gt got a nice bump in power due to better flowing heads. Also 96-98 gts are not 14 second cars stock, there 15 second cars. The 99-04 usually run mid 14's although every mustang owner and his brother will yap about how they can run 13's stock. In fact I bet I get at least one guy who will quibble with me and at least know someone who ran a 13.x.
Tofu, was that run down with nothing but gears and headers? Stock rubber? Stock paper filter? Stock suspension?
Manifolds/heads same thing
jk, yeah i was a little hung over when i posted that...sorry guys, i meant to say heads...
09-04-2005, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by codyss
The 99-04 GT changes were known as PI (Power Increase) and consited of better flowing heads and a better flowing intake along with the supporting ECM modifications.
Although the 1998 GT's were rated a couple of HP higher than 96-97 due to the addition of a larger exhaust (2.5 vs 2.25) but 99-04 returned to the 2.25 exhaust.
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords got a 100% stock 99-04 GT to run a best of 13.79 after handfulls of 14 second passes. But unlike SRT-4 guys at least Mustang fans don't act as if all GT's run 13.7's. For the most part a three accross race SS vs GT vs SRT-4 would come down to the driver.
Although the 1998 GT's were rated a couple of HP higher than 96-97 due to the addition of a larger exhaust (2.5 vs 2.25) but 99-04 returned to the 2.25 exhaust.
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords got a 100% stock 99-04 GT to run a best of 13.79 after handfulls of 14 second passes. But unlike SRT-4 guys at least Mustang fans don't act as if all GT's run 13.7's. For the most part a three accross race SS vs GT vs SRT-4 would come down to the driver.
Your humor never gets old. 
09-05-2005, 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by clownhair
Wow, the guy who came in to correct us is even wrong Its not the manifolds it is the heads. The 99 gt got a nice bump in power due to better flowing heads.
Also 96-98 gts are not 14 second cars stock, there 15 second cars. The 99-04 usually run mid 14's although every mustang owner and his brother will yap about how they can run 13's stock. In fact I bet I get at least one guy who will quibble with me and at least know someone who ran a 13.x.
Tofu, was that run down with nothing but gears and headers? Stock rubber? Stock paper filter? Stock suspension?
Its not the manifolds it is the heads. The 99 gt got a nice bump in power due to better flowing heads. Also 96-98 gts are not 14 second cars stock, there 15 second cars. The 99-04 usually run mid 14's although every mustang owner and his brother will yap about how they can run 13's stock. In fact I bet I get at least one guy who will quibble with me and at least know someone who ran a 13.x.
Tofu, was that run down with nothing but gears and headers? Stock rubber? Stock paper filter? Stock suspension?
That run was a bone stock 98 NON-PI motor w/ BBK Longtube headers, shorty H-pipe and STOCK catback, stock 16 "starfish" wheels on BFG DR's, stock suspension, stock shifter, full interior weight, and 1/4 of gas.
And actually, the intake manifold and cams are what the weakest links are in the Non-pi motors, not the heads...it was a pretty big misconception until recently. In fact, at .550 lift the Non-pi heads actually flow better than the PI heads, but the intake manifold wheezes out power around 4,500k rpms and, well...that's basically where 96-98 GT's fall flat on their face. It's a pretty common thing now for 96-98 GT owners to do a simple PI intake swap and gain 15-20rwhp for pretty cheap...of course, that's if your brave enough to use epoxy to cover the mismatched intake ports.
09-05-2005, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by codyss
The 99-04 GT changes were known as PI (Power Increase) and consited of better flowing heads and a better flowing intake along with the supporting ECM modifications.
Although the 1998 GT's were rated a couple of HP higher than 96-97 due to the addition of a larger exhaust (2.5 vs 2.25) but 99-04 returned to the 2.25 exhaust.
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords got a 100% stock 99-04 GT to run a best of 13.79 after handfulls of 14 second passes. But unlike SRT-4 guys at least Mustang fans don't act as if all GT's run 13.7's. For the most part a three accross race SS vs GT vs SRT-4 would come down to the driver.
Although the 1998 GT's were rated a couple of HP higher than 96-97 due to the addition of a larger exhaust (2.5 vs 2.25) but 99-04 returned to the 2.25 exhaust.
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords got a 100% stock 99-04 GT to run a best of 13.79 after handfulls of 14 second passes. But unlike SRT-4 guys at least Mustang fans don't act as if all GT's run 13.7's. For the most part a three accross race SS vs GT vs SRT-4 would come down to the driver.
Sorry Cody, my 98 GT had 2.25 just like the 96 and 97 GT. It was a more agressive factory tune and cam timing that bumped it up to 225hp...which on the dyno met absolutely nothing (in comparison to the 96 and 97).
09-07-2005, 04:41 PM
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Bit of warning if you're in Florida and love racing the GT's..
Seems many police departments are now buying them up and making them undercover units, to help stop street racing. I saw a video of some black lady in an SUV all pissed off when one pulled her over that she sped past, cop had to taze her a few times to calm her down haha. Also if i'm not mistaken a new law was recently passed that under certian circumstances, allows them to take your car on the spot if you're found racing.
Seems many police departments are now buying them up and making them undercover units, to help stop street racing. I saw a video of some black lady in an SUV all pissed off when one pulled her over that she sped past, cop had to taze her a few times to calm her down haha. Also if i'm not mistaken a new law was recently passed that under certian circumstances, allows them to take your car on the spot if you're found racing.
09-07-2005, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by codyss
I liked my 2003 GT but it got boring quick. Especially when $$$ money in bolt-ons yielded very little HP.
I had that car for maybe 6 months.
I had that car for maybe 6 months.
12-05-2005, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by codyss
And a stock 99-04 GT will get it's ass handed to it from any roll by a SS/SC. But sice they have flexible 4 link rear ends they can launch pretty good. But even a bolt-on GT will see tail lights from a roll yes even one with gears.
I understand that from your experiences, the SS/SC is faster than a GT from a roll, and that's fine for you to think that because it WOULD be really close, but... bolt-ons and especially a switch from 3.27 to 4.10 gears would easily put a GT ahead of the SS/SC, even from a roll.
Originally Posted by codyss
For the most part a three accross race SS vs GT vs SRT-4 would come down to the driver.
*All references to "GT" are talking about 99-04 Models
12-05-2005, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Blainestang
A GT with Bolt-ons and GEARS would lose to an SS/SC from a roll? That's quite a stretch.
I understand that from your experiences, the SS/SC is faster than a GT from a roll, and that's fine for you to think that because it WOULD be really close, but... bolt-ons and especially a switch from 3.27 to 4.10 gears would easily put a GT ahead of the SS/SC, even from a roll.
I would, however, agree with this. While the SRT's and GT's are capable of better 1/4 times than the SS/SC, driver's make a big enough difference to close the gap. If I was betting on the race, I would bet on the GT or SRT, but a win for the Cobalt is certainly within the realm of possibility.
*All references to "GT" are talking about 99-04 Models
I understand that from your experiences, the SS/SC is faster than a GT from a roll, and that's fine for you to think that because it WOULD be really close, but... bolt-ons and especially a switch from 3.27 to 4.10 gears would easily put a GT ahead of the SS/SC, even from a roll.
I would, however, agree with this. While the SRT's and GT's are capable of better 1/4 times than the SS/SC, driver's make a big enough difference to close the gap. If I was betting on the race, I would bet on the GT or SRT, but a win for the Cobalt is certainly within the realm of possibility.
*All references to "GT" are talking about 99-04 Models
anyway, the guy that raced my friend is really cool and i wish more SS/SC owners were like him. he didn't run his mouth at all and isn't seperated from reality like some (not all) of the people around here. he can drive damn well and met us at the track that same weekend. ran an 11.98 1000ft which is very impressive for that car. cant wait to see what he runs with a tranny mount and some more mods
for the rest of you, im not saying an SS/SC cant beat a 99-04 GT. im sure it can and does happen. but if you go around thinking you can beat any GT at will, its only a matter of time until you come across someone that can drive and knows how to mod their car right. if you beat a stock (if there are any left) or lightly modded 96-98, thats not too impressive but a good run nonetheless. if you beat a stock or lightly modded 99-04 that is impressive and you should buy yourself a sixer and pat yourself on the back. one more thing.....if you race one from a roll, regardless of the outcome, offer to race him from a dig. fair is fair
12-05-2005, 04:32 PM
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Like I have always said, A 99-04 GT could hang with a SS/SC from a dig then it's a drivers race. But from a roll a SS/SC will own a 99-04 GT plain and simple the GT has the torque advantage but not the HP advantage.
Take both out on the highway and it's pretty easy to see the short comings of the SOHC 4.6 vs a SS/SC.
Thats all I am going to say.
Take both out on the highway and it's pretty easy to see the short comings of the SOHC 4.6 vs a SS/SC.
Thats all I am going to say.
12-05-2005, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by codyss
Like I have always said, A 99-04 GT could hang with a SS/SC from a dig then it's a drivers race. But from a roll a SS/SC will own a 99-04 GT plain and simple the GT has the torque advantage but not the HP advantage.
Take both out on the highway and it's pretty easy to see the short comings of the SOHC 4.6 vs a SS/SC.
Thats all I am going to say.
Take both out on the highway and it's pretty easy to see the short comings of the SOHC 4.6 vs a SS/SC.
Thats all I am going to say.
Originally Posted by codyss
Helty you like Mustangs thats why they won the races you seen. We have been over this many times.
Stock GT vs Stock SS = SS
And unless the bolt-ons on the GT you speak of included 4.10 gears, LT's, cam or S/C the GT wouldn't have won especially from a roll.
My SS/SC is 100% stock and I can hand a GT it's ass without a problem.
Stock GT vs Stock SS = SS
And unless the bolt-ons on the GT you speak of included 4.10 gears, LT's, cam or S/C the GT wouldn't have won especially from a roll.
My SS/SC is 100% stock and I can hand a GT it's ass without a problem.
Originally Posted by anonymous
Yeah so i just got done cruising around jasonh_86. my advice dont call BS anymore. Very very nice mustang, and is extremely quick from a dig, and surprisingly fast from a roll. We raced twice from a roll, once from 40-100 he won by about a door. the other was from 20-90 and he won by about a car and a half. muuuuuuuch quicker than a stock GT. anyways yall give him some props for having a bad ass car and not being a douche because of the different kinds of cars we drive
you straight up called me a liar. (the mustang won the races i saw bc i like mustangs, remember that one?) i dont lie, i call it like i see it. you believe what you want to and i'll believe what i see. enough said.
12-05-2005, 05:36 PM
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all this jibber jabber is worthless someone please post something about the horsepower rating of the rustang in question and not just he said she said crap put up a car and driver link or something. I cant believe how all these post end! Someone always cring about something we are all car enthusist just suck it up take it to the track and let the slips do the talking. By the way also who cares it is a 8 cyl car vs a 4cyl supercharged car if the 8 cyl barely beats us or we beat it it dosent matter bottom line is that the car has a 8 cyl and power per cyl is terrible for it and the rustang shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence as the ss/sc