LS1 GTO A4 vs Cobalt SS??
12-17-2007, 08:44 PM
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Actually the air moves throught the TB so fast that it could be 300 degrees and not raise the passing air more than a few degrees.
Most TB bypass kits are a failsafe money maker for companies that make the simple little do-dads. Given you can do it your self for a few bucks the pure look of the mess kept me from doing it to my TPI, LT1 and LS1's.
Most TB bypass kits are a failsafe money maker for companies that make the simple little do-dads. Given you can do it your self for a few bucks the pure look of the mess kept me from doing it to my TPI, LT1 and LS1's.
12-17-2007, 09:39 PM
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Auto 5.7 GTO is a good match for a stockish cobalt. Auto 6.0 is a good match for a Stage 2+ boltons Cobalt. 6sp makes a BIG difference, so you are starting at a disadvantage. I can keep up with a modded 6.0 6sp, but i'm basically a full stage 3+ bolt-on car.
Oh, and whoever said a 60 roll is better, thats retarded on a stockish car. Race becomes a waiting game to see who backs off. I give a GTO a dig or 20 roll if I get a 40 roll, because even that is too high for a RWD car. I only do rolls right now due to lack of sticky tires. I'll be back doing digs only soon enough.
Oh, and whoever said a 60 roll is better, thats retarded on a stockish car. Race becomes a waiting game to see who backs off. I give a GTO a dig or 20 roll if I get a 40 roll, because even that is too high for a RWD car. I only do rolls right now due to lack of sticky tires. I'll be back doing digs only soon enough.
Stock GTO will eat up a "stockish" cobalt. You need at least a pulley change and fuel injectors to keep up with a ls1 goat
Also, the cobalts gearing is LONGER ... THATS RIGHT.... longer than the gto's...m6's anyway
Their 2nd gear hits ~60-62 mph...their third only hits like ~92-97 mph
While our stock 2nd hits like 65-67 and 3rd hits about 100-102...my third hits like 114 now....still haven't gotten the chance to shift into 4th in the 1/4...probably never will
12-17-2007, 09:55 PM
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Umm...have you seen stock trap speeds of an ls2 goat? Morel ike my car can barely hang with a stock m6 gto
Stock GTO will eat up a "stockish" cobalt. You need at least a pulley change and fuel injectors to keep up with a ls1 goat
Also, the cobalts gearing is LONGER ... THATS RIGHT.... longer than the gto's...m6's anyway
Their 2nd gear hits ~60-62 mph...their third only hits like ~92-97 mph
While our stock 2nd hits like 65-67 and 3rd hits about 100-102...my third hits like 114 now....still haven't gotten the chance to shift into 4th in the 1/4...probably never will
Stock GTO will eat up a "stockish" cobalt. You need at least a pulley change and fuel injectors to keep up with a ls1 goat
Also, the cobalts gearing is LONGER ... THATS RIGHT.... longer than the gto's...m6's anyway
Their 2nd gear hits ~60-62 mph...their third only hits like ~92-97 mph
While our stock 2nd hits like 65-67 and 3rd hits about 100-102...my third hits like 114 now....still haven't gotten the chance to shift into 4th in the 1/4...probably never will
Stock 5.7 Auto would be a good match for a close to stock SS. Read my post before you comment.
Yes, 6sp are faster and have better gearing, I said that.
What's your point?
12-17-2007, 10:07 PM
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12-17-2007, 10:15 PM
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.... Just answer the question. WHAT IS THE TIME FOR A STOCK, AUTO LS1 GTO, ON AVERAGE. That is what I was comparing. I know they respond well to mods, a lightly modded LS1 with spray is an 11 sec car easily. I'm not arguing potential here, I'm talking about two random people running into each other on the street, with factory spec cars. My example was a stockish Cobalt (intake/exhaust, or maybe a pulley with no tune), against a bone stock, auto GTO. I know I'm picking the slpwest possible GTO, that is all you will be able to come close to with a basic Cobalt. I keep up with modded LS2s, but I'm also the fastest Cobalt around so far, I've never lost to any other LSJ, no matter what thier setup. I know a modded GTO is fast, please get off your soapbox, I don't give a ****. I just asked one simple question, stock trap speeds, because someone else asked and I don't know the answer.
12-17-2007, 10:20 PM
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There were quite a few GTO's at the track last night. An 04 yellow A4 ran a 13.3 @ 105mph w/ a 1.9 60ft as his best of the night w/ a lpe intake. Then there was an 05-06 H/C M6 that ran high 10's low 11's if I recall correctly. Most stockish ones were running low 13's high 12's..
DA was -1500 ft last night with 0 headwind....it was a good night for racing.
edit: found his post on LS1gto.com
DA was -1500 ft last night with 0 headwind....it was a good night for racing.
edit: found his post on LS1gto.com
12-17-2007, 10:25 PM
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See, thats why I say it. A slightly over stock cobalt would be just over 100mph traps, which makes it a good race. I didn't say it would **** on a GTO or anything, but at that close of a level, factor in environmental variables and anything could happen. Thats all I'm saying.
12-17-2007, 11:20 PM
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i have yet to see any fbody or gto try to race a cobalt ss...but it seems theres a good amout of them that buy the cobalt ss' for daily drivers
i've mainly seen modded sti's and srts trying to go after the cobalts
and good job on the 13.4, thats what my old 94 T/A ran
12-18-2007, 09:51 AM
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First hand knowledge. I'm aquaintances with a kid in my town that has an LS1, and I was stock the first time we raced for ***** and giggles, Beat me by a land slide (from a dig). From a roll I kept up pretty good but he still ate asphalt with every shift. I haven't tried to race him since the stage 2, but you should have him easy if he's stock... dig or roll.
12-18-2007, 11:00 AM
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.... Just answer the question. WHAT IS THE TIME FOR A STOCK, AUTO LS1 GTO, ON AVERAGE. That is what I was comparing. I know they respond well to mods, a lightly modded LS1 with spray is an 11 sec car easily. I'm not arguing potential here, I'm talking about two random people running into each other on the street, with factory spec cars. My example was a stockish Cobalt (intake/exhaust, or maybe a pulley with no tune), against a bone stock, auto GTO. I know I'm picking the slpwest possible GTO, that is all you will be able to come close to with a basic Cobalt. I keep up with modded LS2s, but I'm also the fastest Cobalt around so far, I've never lost to any other LSJ, no matter what thier setup. I know a modded GTO is fast, please get off your soapbox, I don't give a ****. I just asked one simple question, stock trap speeds, because someone else asked and I don't know the answer.
Oh and it's impossible for a LS1 GTO A4 to run 12.3 at 112 with just exhaust and a handheld tuner. You would need a stall, small cam, full exhaust, good dyno tune, Dr's, and maybe N20 to hit that with a LS1 GTO A4.
Actually that 104-105 is more in line for the 6spd LS1 GTO. The best I've seen stock from a LS1 GTO A4 is 13.5 at 103.
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12-18-2007, 01:24 PM
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12-18-2007, 01:29 PM
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12-18-2007, 01:48 PM
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i can say the same for the GTO and i guarantee that a GTO wouldnt add a little 50 shot , thats all the cobalt can handle , not my fault , hey chevy salesman why dont you have your Cobalt anymore , o yea it was too slow , its also funny how you dissapeared for like 5 months and come back with a cobra , cute
my cobalt was stolen(i guess i should've gotten onstar
). it just so happened, i found a slightly beat up cobra for about the same money, so i jumped on it.
12-18-2007, 01:50 PM
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Excuse dumb me but what's the M62 the tranny?? Also I know plenty of GTO owners that or in the 12's or better. Doc GTO who I'm sure some of yall have seen his car on mafia motorsports runs high 10's trapping at 130+. I use to hang with him back when he was living in Southern Georgia.
12-18-2007, 01:51 PM
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whos hit 12s w/o nitrous?
no, the eaton m62 supercharger
Excuse dumb me but what's the M62 the tranny?? Also I know plenty of GTO owners that or in the 12's or better. Doc GTO who I'm sure some of yall have seen his car on mafia motorsports runs high 10's trapping at 130+. I use to hang with him back when he was living in Southern Georgia.
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12-18-2007, 01:53 PM
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