Perfect.disguise

My next (new) car won't be a GM again.

gos2difbeat

I would not go there cause we can also talk about how GM has kept the corvette running strong since 1953( sounds like 56 years of not missing a beat to me) LOL

FutureEcotecOwner

How much is the new ZR1, 100k+? And the c6 Z06 was in the mid 70's. Yeah they're faster than the GT500, but you can get a GT500 for mid 30's.

gos2difbeat

first i was not refering to power or bang for the buck. second ya you can find a USED GT500 for mid 30's, You can also find a USED c6 Z06 for high 30's. I was just telling you dont say ford is the only one out of the 2 that has had a car steady for X amount of time. I was just making sure you dont forget that the corvette has been around for longer with out a break in service. Dont take this as a personal attack, its just some friendly debate.

FutureEcotecOwner

I understand that, but you cant put a Mustang and a Corvette in the same category. A Corvette is more of a Sports car than a Muscle car, and the price difference is way different for a new one. Mustang vs. Camaro is just about as fair as you can get, although the Camaro is most of the time faster, but it's more expensive.

gos2difbeat

Agreed, yes camaro is more expensive. the only reason i brought in the vette is cause i was defending the GM comment you made LOL. Im a loyal GM customer. However if it came down to it and i had to choose between a new camaro ss or a saleen s281, hands down i would totally take the saleen. I test drove one of those and all i had to say to the salesman was " I NEED A TOWEL!"

Perfect.disguise

There was no production Vette in 1983. Bahh BAM!

gos2difbeat

Are you really going to make me go and research the one year ford did not make the mustang. Cause i would have to stop working to do so( please tell me to i dont want to work)

there was 44 1983 production corvettes, however non were sold.

http://www.web-cars.com/corvette/1983.php

Perfect.disguise

Go, for it. I don't know the answer but I don't THINK they have missed a year for the Mustang in general.

Yes, thats why I said production.
Not as a limited run/etc. There was no Vette avaliable to the public in 83.

drew1991sf

u cant compare the gt500 and z06 or zr1. the gt500 will never be on the same level as the z06 or zr1. the fact they left an almost identical suspension that was on the gt and added 200hp to it is just stupidity. the z06/zr1 handle amazing and both do 11.7 stock or better.

FutureEcotecOwner

There is an 07 Saleen S/C'ed for sale around here for 35k with very very low miles on it.

Look at their prices brand new too, the GT500 is cheaper than the Z06, and thousands upon thousands cheaper than a ZR1. You're right, their not on the same level as far as performance, nor cost.

gos2difbeat

Why did you have to say that, Now i have to go find that towel again lol. Just the whine from the S/C was sexy.

Perfect.disguise

http://hi-endauto.com/vehicle.php?id=28077

drew1991sf

but for 47k its not that great of a car. handles horrible. i'd rather have the roushe over the shelby

Perfect.disguise

So you would rather have a fixed up GT instead of a solid 5.4L DOHC 4V that will handle alot more?

gos2difbeat

Yes however production means they were produced. the 83 vette was produced, just never sold. They do have the only 1 left on display at the national corvette museum. and no you are correct mustang has not missed a year, however the 2nd gen was made and recalled cause it was not to designers standard. But they still made itout with the revised ones with that years title( i believe it was 1973).

FutureEcotecOwner

Damn, that is even a better price, and I love that color.

Perfect.disguise

Yes, even though they have "produced" concept cars/etc that doesn't make it a production car.

Perfect.disguise

They usually have a better inventory than they do now. Evo's, STI's, Srt's, etc
http://www.hi-endauto.com/inventory.html

FutureEcotecOwner

Who cares how it handles, are you at the auto-x track everyday? More people drag race than anything, and I dont think people wanna pay way more money just to say that their car handles better. Like somebody already said, you rather have a S/C'ed GT over a built 5.4L that with a simple bolt on KB or turbo you have an easy 700-800whp??

gos2difbeat

True, I will agree to that.

FutureEcotecOwner

Jesus Christ, it's like Terminator heaven, LOL!! Check out this place:

http://www.chicagomotorcars.com/show...7/index?sold=0

Blainestang

Something interesting from a Roush Forum:

The GT500 is signifcantly superior in acceleration, and matches or beats the 427R in every handling-related category.

(Oh, BTW, it's ROUSH... not RoushE or RousCh, etc.)

That being said, Roush claims that with the 18" wheels (the car MT tested had the optional 20's), the car can pull 1.02g.

Either way, though, the point is that the GT500 doesn't handle "horribly"... and the Roush 427R starts $10k higher with an inferior engine.

drew1991sf

then y did it do so much better on top gear than the shelby

Blainestang

1. That wasn't a '10 GT500

2. There are multiple blatantly false statements in that episode (and others), so their credibility is questionable. Basically, it's made for *entertainment* first, legitimate information second.


EDIT:

Let me be clear... I'm not saying that the Roush DOESN'T handle better than the GT500... even the '10... but the '10 GT500s don't handle "horrible", and if the Roush doesn't have the right wheel/tire setup, it looks like they are pretty similar in handling capability.