roadrage06

IC what you're saying. And I don't know what the OP's mods are either. But we have SS/TC's running in the 12's, and I don't find it far fetched to be hanging with a Cobra from a roll that runs a 12.2 or something like that, when we have cobalts running 12.8's from a dig.

Terminator2

That is what I am saying we have a 2900 lb 300whp car vs a supposed 450 whp 3700 lb car. From a roll it shoud be a fairly close race IMHO. RWD has a major launch advantage but from a roll things even out some. A stock 99 mustang GT can run a 2.0 sixty foot time but it will loose to a bone stock TC from a roll every time.

FutureEcotecOwner

I believe the OP's race with this Terminator was from a dig, which is a huge disadvantage for a tuned SS/TC. But from a roll I can see it being alot closer.

A 99-04 GT should lose to an SS/TC from a dig and roll almost everytime. I think the fastest ever stock 99-04 GT ran a 13.7, but that is far from average, with average being right around 14.1-14.2 or so. The 99-04 GT's are a better race for the SS/SC's.

Terminator2

That is what I said.

FutureEcotecOwner

You said from a roll the SS/TC should win, I'm saying that from a roll and dig the SS/TC should win.

amxguy1970

Riddle me this, the fastest tc so far has trapped what like just under 114 with 310-320 whp? The Cobra's have done that stock with 380 whp and about 3700 lbs give or take depending on model. Now give that same car 450 whp and it is trapping dang near 120, a big difference; it won't be close. Just a little FYI.

3700/450 = 8.2 lb/hp
3000/300 = 10 lb/hp

Big difference. There have been pulley only cobra's knocking at 480 whp too depending on mods and tune.

Just tell the OP good death, and chalk it up to bad driving and blowing the tires off for half the race on the Cobra's part and call it a day. Next time he runs into a cobra like that with even a half way descent driver he will be at that same distance he lost by to 50 this time and a couple busses by 110...

Tyler

ralliartist

BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT

13.2@109 is not equal to any cobra with pulley, bolt ons, and a tune. Sorry bud. A car that traps 120 can spin through 3rd gear and still whoop your ass.

FutureEcotecOwner

That's what I'm talking about, be stern with your reply, LOL.

roadrage06

I'll say one more thing in here... make of it what you will....


There's a procharged earlier model mustang GT running around my local town with 450rwhp.

Raced him from a dead stop, put a whole car on him and got to the top of 2nd before he rocketed past me. So, doubt the OP all you want and frankly I can't argue with you. But the guy I raced is making about the HP that you guys are quoting, and I was there, i know what happened. The kid told me his car doesn't get traction in 1st, 2nd, OR 3rd.

Take your haterade elsewhere. **** happens on the street that can't be explained. I personally believe the OP.

FutureEcotecOwner

Unless he has a built motor, his stock motor isnt gonna last pushing 450whp in a pre 05 GT. Those motors are really only good til about 425whp or so, they can push more, but you are pushing it if you do.

roadrage06

don't know... all i know is the procharger sounds like a space ship and he hauled ass past me.

raced another procharged one the other day who launched much better than he did and ate me. I pulled a fender and then it was over.

FutureEcotecOwner

On the pre-05 GT's a Procharger at low PSI or even a Vortech or Kenne Bell wont push much over 400whp unless you have full bolt ons aswell. I think a basic kit S/C on a pre-05 GT only nets around 350whp without any other bolt ons. Good for 12's, but still sucks when you have other cars running 12's stock or with just a couple bolt ons and a tune.

Terminator2

On the street a 450 whp car will have traction issues. That car would trap 118-120 on the track but now where near that on the street. When it was damp out I lost to a Geo metro in my mustang GT because of lack of traction. My speedometer was at 60 but I was going about 10.

FutureEcotecOwner

I dont know about all of that. I can launch much better on the street than I can at the track in both of my cars.

ralliartist

first off, a procharged gt (if he is on stock internals) isn't that fast. And 450whp in a procharged gt isn't equal to 450whp in a terminator.

Anyone want to tell me why my 250ish whp pulls over a bus on this car that made 411whp on the same dyno?



It's not about a car that has 450whp, it's about a terminator with pulley and bolt ons and a tune. OBVIOUSLY we all know what termi's are capable of, and YOU and the OP don't. You guys are dreamer's, big ones.

roadrage06

Cool your jets turbo.

instead of being a dick, enlighten us as to how they aren't the same. Because I'm still not getting it. The cars weigh about the same and power transfer should be about the same.

I'm just saying **** happens on the street when you're dealing with such diverse cars. You have an economy FWD car capable of 12's, and a RWD powerhouse that is a fatass. Without the proper driver things can get weird. This wasn't on a track. Cobalt owner could have left early, cobra owner could have been ******* it, didn't know how to launch or wasn't getting traction. Who knows.

So, please, i've laid my logic out plenty of times... don't be a douche, explain what we're missing. I have no problem admitting when I don't know something. Fords... i know nothing about.

FutureEcotecOwner

A procharged GT with 400whp is easily a low 12 second car if he hooks, which should be more than enough to beat you or the OP. How is a car pushing 400+whp not that fast, and how is something that can beat you, not that fast?

ralliartist

Powerband. That's my logic. That dyno i posted looks like a damn tital wave. It's a dyno of a ******* turbo accord. For 400+whp, it's slow as *****. Same applies to a procharged gt when compared to a termi.

Terminator2

Your local track stinks then. You should have way more traction because of the VHT they put down. Some with stock TCs have said there was so much traction compound that they stalled using the launch control. LOL.

ralliartist

a street tire is going to launch better on the street. a slick is going to launch better at the track. anyone that's been drag racing for a long time knows this.

cobaltstg2

simply been put allready.. the op is lying... a pullied cobra will walk any lightly modded cobalt any day unless the driver cant drive then still the car makes up for the driver after he gets it going... not believing this one bit

Sarvoth

I think that the point really has been made... to those of you who can read that under normal circumstances a pullied Terminator would **** all over a stock turbo Cobalt regardless of how well tuned and modified...

Being the OP admitted his loss, he's probably actually telling the truth; more or less. The Cobra most likely had some serious issues or was just ******* around with the OP to see how quick his car was and then blew past him to set the record straight.

nicksredline

i would say he was skrewin with you and and just punched it to show u how slow u rilly where... i do that in my 29( 1929 ford 502ramjet.... few mods :P ) all the time... some little fart caneed civics always try to race me or a riced out mustang( it being a v6 was the best part lol)

TurbochargedFuture88

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