my cobalt vs an 03 firebird formula
03-30-2009, 11:15 PM
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03-30-2009, 11:45 PM
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Should be very close.. I ran a similiar setup as yours.. Except 2.6 ported blower, full 3" and Meth at 24 degrees timing.. Stock/light mods I could pull relatively hard..
Close race for sure :P FROM A ROLL..
Dig you'll be playing catchup if you can depending how well he can launch his car.. If hes not a complete moron hes gonna rock you a few cars out of the hole :P
Close race for sure :P FROM A ROLL..
Dig you'll be playing catchup if you can depending how well he can launch his car.. If hes not a complete moron hes gonna rock you a few cars out of the hole :P
03-30-2009, 11:46 PM
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damn i should have put on my flame suit for writing 03, lol well i guess i meant an 02 and come to find out its an automatic LT1 with weld on exhaust and a throttle body spacer with cai, i thought the way the race between me and the mustang gt went down from the last video i posted on here that i could try him out, i mean i got nothing to lose hes a v8
03-31-2009, 08:10 AM
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,the 3rd race he got me by a fender. All i had was gm stg 2 ,gmppcatback,injen cai ,and i took a 100lbs out of the car ,.l
03-31-2009, 01:44 PM
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It will take about 300whp for yall to stick next to one to a 100, then you will still get pulled after that. An auto will be a little slower but not much worse. The OP should lose, it is the Formula's race to lose. The Formula is lighter then the Trans Am's too FYI. Haven't we been through this a 100 thousand times already? It takes alot of mods for a SC to hang next to a LS1 from a roll to a 100, after that it takes more. Cobalts aren't exactly roll warriors...
Scottallen, what numbers are you putting down?
coopn8r, describe hard, because I bet you could maybe put half a car on one.
Tyler
Scottallen, what numbers are you putting down?
coopn8r, describe hard, because I bet you could maybe put half a car on one.
Tyler
03-31-2009, 01:57 PM
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Unsure on year, 98 an up SS Camaro, A4.. He said he had exhaust.. He had 1 passenger as did I.. My Mods:
2.6" Pulley
60's
Ported Blower
H/DP
Full 3" Exhaust
Methanol Injection
Custom Tune
Went out on 275 and did a 40 roll to when we had to shut down due to traffic.. I immediately pulled 2 and continued to pull.. I wanted to stop and talk, but he sped off and got off the next exit..
Thats my story and thats what happened..
I don't understand why people cannot get that a SS/SC or Redline that can trap 108+ can hang and beat an LS1 car.. It happens, but when it does.. People are always like.. ZOMG.. BS FLAG..
2.6" Pulley
60's
Ported Blower
H/DP
Full 3" Exhaust
Methanol Injection
Custom Tune
Went out on 275 and did a 40 roll to when we had to shut down due to traffic.. I immediately pulled 2 and continued to pull.. I wanted to stop and talk, but he sped off and got off the next exit..
Thats my story and thats what happened..
I don't understand why people cannot get that a SS/SC or Redline that can trap 108+ can hang and beat an LS1 car.. It happens, but when it does.. People are always like.. ZOMG.. BS FLAG..
03-31-2009, 02:17 PM
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It will take about 300whp for yall to stick next to one to a 100, then you will still get pulled after that. An auto will be a little slower but not much worse. The OP should lose, it is the Formula's race to lose. The Formula is lighter then the Trans Am's too FYI. Haven't we been through this a 100 thousand times already? It takes alot of mods for a SC to hang next to a LS1 from a roll to a 100, after that it takes more. Cobalts aren't exactly roll warriors...
Scottallen, what numbers are you putting down?
coopn8r, describe hard, because I bet you could maybe put half a car on one.
Tyler
Scottallen, what numbers are you putting down?
coopn8r, describe hard, because I bet you could maybe put half a car on one.
Tyler
03-31-2009, 03:31 PM
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It will take about 300whp for yall to stick next to one to a 100, then you will still get pulled after that. An auto will be a little slower but not much worse. The OP should lose, it is the Formula's race to lose. The Formula is lighter then the Trans Am's too FYI. Haven't we been through this a 100 thousand times already? It takes alot of mods for a SC to hang next to a LS1 from a roll to a 100, after that it takes more. Cobalts aren't exactly roll warriors...
Scottallen, what numbers are you putting down?
coopn8r, describe hard, because I bet you could maybe put half a car on one.
Tyler
Scottallen, what numbers are you putting down?
coopn8r, describe hard, because I bet you could maybe put half a car on one.
Tyler
Cobalts ARE roll warriors, a roll is the fail wheel drives only advantage.
It does NOT take 300 WHP for a Cobalt SS (Any trim SS) to stick next to a stock LS1 F-body, not even remotely. 300 WHP in an SS trim Cobalt will beat a bone stock LS1-F-body on the 40 roll and up passed 100 as well. Power to weight shifts significantly to the Cobalts advantage at that point, enough that provided there is traction the Cobalt will pull. The gearing of the two cars is not so dissimilar that it makes up for that much of an advantage.
LS1 is gods gift we all know, but get off its nuts now.
03-31-2009, 05:25 PM
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if indeed it is an lt1 you own't have a problem. me and my friend went to the track the other weekend and his best run was a 13.63@104 and he has headers back full exhaust, k&n intake, 3.53 gears, and a tune. and my best run was a 13.78@103 and all i had(that day) was 2.8, 60s, tune
04-01-2009, 09:50 AM
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Dude half the post I see of yours are simply flat out off base. I hope you weren't referring to bone stock LS1 F-bods. Yeah, way off base cause I have no idea what I am talking about
Considering I have been around the LS motor scene for many years as well as the cobalt scene and hanging out with those guys. Yes, i was referring to bone stock LS1's, but to be honest I should have said around 280+ will keep one next to it. 300 should be able to slowly walk to a point...
Cobalts ARE roll warriors, a roll is the fail wheel drives only advantage. They only seem like "roll warrioirs" because they aren't very good from a dig (like you stated), they are good from a roll but do not have some notoriously scary top end like other well known roll cars.
It does NOT take 300 WHP for a Cobalt SS (Any trim SS) to stick next to a stock LS1 F-body, not even remotely Sorry, I should have said 280; I apologize! 300 WHP in an SS trim Cobalt will beat a bone stock LS1-F-body on the 40 roll and up passed 100 as well (not agreeing there) Power to weight shifts significantly to the Cobalts advantage at that point, enough that provided there is traction the Cobalt will pull. The gearing of the two cars is not so dissimilar that it makes up for that much of an advantage Take a look again at the transmissions and where and when the power comes on for both cars. First, like I stated above it will be closer to 280 to stay next to a stock one, my bad; 300 should allow it to slowly walk away. A 40 roll is bad for all the trannys on the LS cars, especially the auto and a manual isn't in its sweet spot either (i'm at a little over 3k in second at that speed, granted I have a little higher redline but it is a similar point to make). So I don't doubt a 280whp balt can jump out and hold them off for a little while. But I stand by the over a 100 thing. You just don't understand what a big motor with good top end gearing will do for you over a economy car with sub par gearingcompared to it and less motor to move it through the high wind speed. Many people on here agree that when going over a 100 it is a whole different ball game with the LS motor cars, Terminator motor cars and of course the Supra's.
As an example which I have said many times before, I put 2+ cars from different speeds on a almost 280whp balt four times when I was bone stock (he picked all the speeds). I put about the same on a LS1 f-bod if not less with me pulling it at higher speeds slower then I pull the balt. This was a SC balt not a TC BTW
LS1 is gods gift we all know, but get off its nuts now. And the LSJ and LNF are gods gift to the economy car world we all know, why don't you get off those hairy little nuts your hanging on?
Considering I have been around the LS motor scene for many years as well as the cobalt scene and hanging out with those guys. Yes, i was referring to bone stock LS1's, but to be honest I should have said around 280+ will keep one next to it. 300 should be able to slowly walk to a point...Cobalts ARE roll warriors, a roll is the fail wheel drives only advantage. They only seem like "roll warrioirs" because they aren't very good from a dig (like you stated), they are good from a roll but do not have some notoriously scary top end like other well known roll cars.
It does NOT take 300 WHP for a Cobalt SS (Any trim SS) to stick next to a stock LS1 F-body, not even remotely Sorry, I should have said 280; I apologize! 300 WHP in an SS trim Cobalt will beat a bone stock LS1-F-body on the 40 roll and up passed 100 as well (not agreeing there) Power to weight shifts significantly to the Cobalts advantage at that point, enough that provided there is traction the Cobalt will pull. The gearing of the two cars is not so dissimilar that it makes up for that much of an advantage Take a look again at the transmissions and where and when the power comes on for both cars. First, like I stated above it will be closer to 280 to stay next to a stock one, my bad; 300 should allow it to slowly walk away. A 40 roll is bad for all the trannys on the LS cars, especially the auto and a manual isn't in its sweet spot either (i'm at a little over 3k in second at that speed, granted I have a little higher redline but it is a similar point to make). So I don't doubt a 280whp balt can jump out and hold them off for a little while. But I stand by the over a 100 thing. You just don't understand what a big motor with good top end gearing will do for you over a economy car with sub par gearingcompared to it and less motor to move it through the high wind speed. Many people on here agree that when going over a 100 it is a whole different ball game with the LS motor cars, Terminator motor cars and of course the Supra's.
As an example which I have said many times before, I put 2+ cars from different speeds on a almost 280whp balt four times when I was bone stock (he picked all the speeds). I put about the same on a LS1 f-bod if not less with me pulling it at higher speeds slower then I pull the balt. This was a SC balt not a TC BTW
LS1 is gods gift we all know, but get off its nuts now. And the LSJ and LNF are gods gift to the economy car world we all know, why don't you get off those hairy little nuts your hanging on?
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04-01-2009, 10:59 AM
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lol, a 20 WHP disparity between your previous statement and your corrected response is a HUGE one.
When you're talking about a sub 3000lb car that has less than 300 WHP to begin with 20 WHP is a hell of a lot, so try not to bitch so much; damn right I called you out on that bullshit.
I understand quite well how top end gearing and the ability to breathe up top help out. My bad you have a few more posts than me, I haven't been too active online, registered only last year.. I know that means I'm clueless and have no real life experience. My apologies.
All I have to say about your experience with the 280WHP SS/SC is that in all likelyhood it was far more heatsoaked than it could have been, most of them are up top. That makes a hell of a difference too. With a decent setup a 300 WHP SS/SC (sprayed almost positively)
will pull on a stock ls1 F-body, the LS1 wont pull the gap back up top provided both cars are without passenger, fresh, and well driven. You can even take your 55ish roll you'd like the LS1 M6 to have as your best bet, wont happen. A dig is obviously strongly to the LS1s advantage but we're discussing which car would pull harder, not launch.
When you're talking about a sub 3000lb car that has less than 300 WHP to begin with 20 WHP is a hell of a lot, so try not to bitch so much; damn right I called you out on that bullshit.
I understand quite well how top end gearing and the ability to breathe up top help out. My bad you have a few more posts than me, I haven't been too active online, registered only last year.. I know that means I'm clueless and have no real life experience. My apologies.
All I have to say about your experience with the 280WHP SS/SC is that in all likelyhood it was far more heatsoaked than it could have been, most of them are up top. That makes a hell of a difference too. With a decent setup a 300 WHP SS/SC (sprayed almost positively)
will pull on a stock ls1 F-body, the LS1 wont pull the gap back up top provided both cars are without passenger, fresh, and well driven. You can even take your 55ish roll you'd like the LS1 M6 to have as your best bet, wont happen. A dig is obviously strongly to the LS1s advantage but we're discussing which car would pull harder, not launch.