my cobalt vs an 03 firebird formula
04-02-2009, 06:58 PM
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04-03-2009, 03:36 PM
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What does a Stock LS1 Trap? 105ish on average? sometimes higher sometimes lower.. There are Stage 2 guys trapping 105...
Just throwing that out there..
P.S. I've owned my share of v8's, including F-Bodies.. I don't nutswing in any direction.
Stu's car is making no more than 270whp and he pulled a 12.75 and trapped 108 and even 110+ occassionally.. But.. He couldn't pull a Stock LS1.. NO SIR.
Just throwing that out there..
P.S. I've owned my share of v8's, including F-Bodies.. I don't nutswing in any direction.
Stu's car is making no more than 270whp and he pulled a 12.75 and trapped 108 and even 110+ occassionally.. But.. He couldn't pull a Stock LS1.. NO SIR.
Tyler
That's all well and fine, I believe you.
My original response was in reference to a solid 300WHP Cobalt assuming corrected numbers. That seems to be where we're at an impasse. I'm referring to a solid 300WHP Cobalt pulling on a stock Ls1 through all ranges where as you're referring to somewhat less powerful Cobalts.
I just noticed you're in Texas, close to the DFW?
My original response was in reference to a solid 300WHP Cobalt assuming corrected numbers. That seems to be where we're at an impasse. I'm referring to a solid 300WHP Cobalt pulling on a stock Ls1 through all ranges where as you're referring to somewhat less powerful Cobalts.
I just noticed you're in Texas, close to the DFW?
Tyler
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04-03-2009, 03:45 PM
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That is def an old subject that had been disproven.
I have owned an Lt1 and there is no denying the Ls1 makes more power at every rpm stock for stock.
But hey, I still love the whole lx series so this is just my opinon.
I hate to say it but I agree.......I averaged 105 when stock.
I dont see why a 110 trapping Cobalt couldnt pull an Ls1. Going from roll would be worse for the Ls1 since it would take away the launch advantage
I have owned an Lt1 and there is no denying the Ls1 makes more power at every rpm stock for stock.
But hey, I still love the whole lx series so this is just my opinon.
I hate to say it but I agree.......I averaged 105 when stock.
I dont see why a 110 trapping Cobalt couldnt pull an Ls1. Going from roll would be worse for the Ls1 since it would take away the launch advantage
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04-03-2009, 05:46 PM
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Sorry I missed that. I am in the Flower Mound/Lewisville area. What about you? I regular down town Fort Worth as a bunch of my good friends live near there and it is much better and nicer going out in Fort Worth then Dallas most of the time. I have some friends that live off Beach and 820 and some more that live off 30 and Bryant Irvin.
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I'm usually in or around Arlington and Kennedale. I'll second you on Fort Worth being nicer than Dallas, lol.
04-04-2009, 05:50 PM
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It will take about 300whp for yall to stick next to one to a 100, then you will still get pulled after that. An auto will be a little slower but not much worse. The OP should lose, it is the Formula's race to lose. The Formula is lighter then the Trans Am's too FYI. Haven't we been through this a 100 thousand times already? It takes alot of mods for a SC to hang next to a LS1 from a roll to a 100, after that it takes more. Cobalts aren't exactly roll warriors...
Scottallen, what numbers are you putting down?
coopn8r, describe hard, because I bet you could maybe put half a car on one.
Tyler
Scottallen, what numbers are you putting down?
coopn8r, describe hard, because I bet you could maybe put half a car on one.
Tyler
04-04-2009, 08:56 PM
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What it averages and what it is capable of are two different things though. But I am not entirely sold on that second statement though. LS motors aren't really known to get moving until after the 1/8, that is where the real distance gets put on its competitors. You look at times from the end of the 1/8 to the end of the 1/4 compared to other cars and you will see their difference is all in the top end. I think a comparable balt (power to weight wise) would have a shot from a slow roll of like 15 mph to take away the dig and it will hold ok up to around 80 or 90, but as the speeds increase it when it can get a little ugly.
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I agree 100% with your 1st sentence. She def had more in her than I was able to get out of it.
On the top end stuff, I agree somewhat. However; still dont know why so many people feel it makes any less down low. On a cammed car the statement is 100% true as the power is higher up in the band but a stock engine makes good power 1500-6000rpm.
04-04-2009, 09:07 PM
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^ exactly. Its not like an ls1 only makes power after 70mph. It steadily increases.
In my redline I steadily increased HP until 7200 rpms where we shut her down.
Ls1's are very nice engines that mod extremely well and in no way am I doubting what they do or their potential, but our lil lsj's are not really slouches when they become modded quite nicely and yes we know it takes quite a bit of modification to beat a stock one but it can be done and has been done on plenty of occassions.
In my redline I steadily increased HP until 7200 rpms where we shut her down.
Ls1's are very nice engines that mod extremely well and in no way am I doubting what they do or their potential, but our lil lsj's are not really slouches when they become modded quite nicely and yes we know it takes quite a bit of modification to beat a stock one but it can be done and has been done on plenty of occassions.
04-08-2009, 04:43 PM
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04-08-2009, 05:07 PM
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Just noticed that.. on my Dyno Sheet, if I can find it, I made power up to 7200 where they stopped it..
On the torque it makes it at 4400 and then steadily drops off and on max whp it looks like its made at about 5100-5200 and then just kinda levels out and I doubt past that its going to just spike upwards..
On the torque it makes it at 4400 and then steadily drops off and on max whp it looks like its made at about 5100-5200 and then just kinda levels out and I doubt past that its going to just spike upwards..
04-08-2009, 05:48 PM
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sounds good cant wait to see the vids! and make it during the day so it isnt dark cause night time vids suck ass!
04-08-2009, 05:51 PM
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u will walk him from a roll i walked a 99 ls1 frc vette 6 spd headers and exhst and i had a 2.99 with all supporting mods(I/H/E/HE, and ported n polished TB). now hes tuned and walks me
04-08-2009, 05:59 PM
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and FTR those FRC vettes are BA!
04-09-2009, 12:16 AM
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guy never showed up but did get some videos of me racing another mustang lol these guys are prob not liking a slobalt rolling through all their mustangs, specially when its a mustang car club pretty much, this was a gt with gears exhaust and bolt-ons ill have vids up tomorrow
04-09-2009, 09:39 AM
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Why in every LS1 thread does it appear that people know less and less instead of more about LS1's?
I love these quotes:
- LS engines are better the last 1/8 in the 1/4, this is true when the folks driving them are the same skill less kids losing to Stage 2 SS/SC's.
- Terminator 2 I love your remark about a stock LS1 really dropping off, to this I must say compared to what?
Whats really sad is that I also see almost as much misinformation from people who have F-Bodies in there signatures. It isn't that I think any vehicle mentioned is superior or inferior but damn figure this stuff out one of these years.
I love these quotes:
- LS engines are better the last 1/8 in the 1/4, this is true when the folks driving them are the same skill less kids losing to Stage 2 SS/SC's.
- Terminator 2 I love your remark about a stock LS1 really dropping off, to this I must say compared to what?
Whats really sad is that I also see almost as much misinformation from people who have F-Bodies in there signatures. It isn't that I think any vehicle mentioned is superior or inferior but damn figure this stuff out one of these years.
04-09-2009, 01:36 PM
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Why in every LS1 thread does it appear that people know less and less instead of more about LS1's?
I love these quotes:
- LS engines are better the last 1/8 in the 1/4, this is true when the folks driving them are the same skill less kids losing to Stage 2 SS/SC's.
- Terminator 2 I love your remark about a stock LS1 really dropping off, to this I must say compared to what?
Whats really sad is that I also see almost as much misinformation from people who have F-Bodies in there signatures. It isn't that I think any vehicle mentioned is superior or inferior but damn figure this stuff out one of these years.
I love these quotes:
- LS engines are better the last 1/8 in the 1/4, this is true when the folks driving them are the same skill less kids losing to Stage 2 SS/SC's.
- Terminator 2 I love your remark about a stock LS1 really dropping off, to this I must say compared to what?
Whats really sad is that I also see almost as much misinformation from people who have F-Bodies in there signatures. It isn't that I think any vehicle mentioned is superior or inferior but damn figure this stuff out one of these years.
Now modding throws most everything out the window as you can get a peaky high RPM set up or a good mid range torquey set up, ect...
Now I will admit also that GTO's are notorious for having that name bestowed upon them mainly because they are under tired and don't do extremely well in the first couple of gears. Hence the reason GTO LS2's are only a hair faster then a Camaro SS through the 1/4 even though they have in upwards of 40HP and about 200 lbs weight differnce, but the higher the speeds the more the GTO can show its strength. I bet Camaro's and TA's have cut better 60 foots then the GTO's have!
Where do you think your vette is better at? 1500 RPM in first gear from a slow street start or 5000 RPM in third on the highway?
Tyler
04-09-2009, 05:33 PM
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the intense tune sucks, i switched to zzp awhile back and i like it alot better, soon im goin to get it dyno tuned to squeeze alittle more hp out of it, and yea i know it sucks, but i have like 3 more gt's from that car club lined up to race me lol like i have some bad ass car or something, im also gonna run the stock 03 cobra from their car club just to see how much he pulls on me hes a pretty cool guy though we are gonna do it from a 40 roll