beefy Si

There are fast N/A 8th gens out there. They aren't common, but yes they can be fast without FI.

I'm assuming you are talking about the 8th gen, if so you are wrong as well. K-series have been making amazing amounts of power with a good N/A build. There are a few RSXs that have gone the 2.4 route, built street cars (look completely stock) running 11's...12's on street tires. They are pretty much the same weight as a 8th gen Si stock, with same engine. (other than LSD transmission, Fly by wire or Electronic Throttle, and a RBC manifold.)

It's amazing how quick some people will naysay on something they know very very little about. And in some cases, they get the entire generation of the model wrong.

PNYKLR-TA

ok so a 2800 lb car. . . with a NA 4 banger. . . highest WHP dyno numbers i've ever heard are like 280whp. . . thats like what 322 assuming a 15% drive train loss.

I'm sorry that car will barely break into the 12's even with a great launch which is extremely hard with a FWD 'that looks stock' some fat slicks dont look stock and would not be daily driven.

so as i previously stated, no N/A Honda is fast without being stripped out.

beefy Si

Stripped out? Hahah....saving 50lbs is not going to make the car go fast. Regardless of what you think, or just don't know, 12's NA, on street tires (like I stated above) with a chassis over 2,700lbs is pretty damn impressive I'de say. And if you think it's impossible for a 280whp NA RSX/Civic to see 12s you are an idiot. Maybe you should go on K20A.org and take a look for yourself before you try to tell me about Hondas. Sorry.

P.S. There is a 350+whp NA H-series.

06SS ALL DAY

yea well i played Nitto drag racing today on my puter and hit 12.5 on street tires in a scion TC. WHAT NOW!

Not Boosted

Sarvoth

HOLD UP.

IT'S GRAMMAR.

PNYKLR-TA

yea is it running on pump gas? and how long do you think this above mentioned motor will last honestly at those power levels. . .maybe a year on the high side.

and 12's on street tires you are straight out of your mind. there was a EG hatch at the track when i went with a K20 swap, full-bolt ons header intake cat back, a tune and all and guess what he ran with street tires. . . 13.2! granted it did have a decent trap speed of like 106 but still this guy wasnt fully stripped but he was on his way there. like i said before N/A honda 12's especially on street tires

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahaha aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ahhaahahahahahaha

[takes deep breath]

aaaa hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

beefy Si

HAHAHAHAAH!!!! You truly are an idiot. You saw 1 guy with a K20 hatch ran a 13.2. Awesome. Howabout you get out to the strip more. There are K20 and K24 Civics and Integras on STOCK INTERNALS running mid 12's on street radials now. So like I said before all ya gotta do is take your uneducated ass on over to K20A or CRSX or even HT and learn something. Please do me that one favor before you post your BS on here again. You can't really tell me about Hondas man.

PNYKLR-TA

dude i used to hang out with a car club full of honda's and have seen tons of fast ones, probably a whole hell of a lot faster than yours. im talking mid 10 cars all the way to mid 16 cars.

to run those times they need to be stripped or have juice or boost period.

beefy Si

STOP talking. Just stop. The smilies aren't helping you. A car club? It's 2009 now buddy. Climb out of your cave. I'll let those sites I posted make you look like an idiot, even though you are doing a fine job of that on your own right now.

06SS ALL DAY

LMAOOO DAMN!!! **** my life i give up haha def really did laugh when i read Sarvoth reply ***** toooo funny lol

PNYKLR-TA

HAHA wait did you just say something about using smilies

and i dont care to go on those sites, ive done plenty of research.

and the car club comment? what does 2009 have to do with that? there have been car clubs since the the early 1970's and im sure earlier. . . and they are still around today.

i guess having a beefy si makes you too cool to goto car club meetings

06SS ALL DAY

go to youtube and just search for all motor k20's. and i'm almost sure a built motor for race gas will have a high octane mode... especially a daily driver... my friends SRT4 has high octane mode and it is his daily drive he owned SAME CAR same motor same STOCK clutch since 04... and he runs mid 11's slicks... oh and stock internals... i'm pretty sure if a dodge motor can handle all that abuse lol WITH boost... mmmmm a k20 honda motor can handle twice the abuse...

beefy Si

No. You have not. You have next to NO knowledge whatsoever on the topic. I'm just having fun with you.

You mean if there were car "club" meetings. Even then, yes, you'd be correct. I would not go to them. I AM too cool.

06SS ALL DAY

lol yo my thread are ALWAYS long

beefy Si

You deliver!

PNYKLR-TA

and sure there maybe some like a very small amount that do achieve those numbers, but thats the same as saying LS1's reach mid 12's stock all day, sure professionals have done it and a few factory freaks have, but not the majority of them.

keep living in the beefy si dream world man

Sarvoth

The win level of this thread is epic.

beefy Si

Wow. I wonder how may brain cells were used up to edit my quote! Brilliant. WINNAR!

I live in reality. I don't care to know where the hell you live.

PNYKLR-TA

ok so just for you beefy i am on K20A.org right now, now we said street tires correct,

the fastest time i've found yet on true street tires is:

Matador - VA / 12.70@111 / EG K20R - I/DTR Header/E Kpro + Tuned/ 2275lbs / 195-50-15 AVS ES100

but ill make a list of the next true street tires after him, and notice not one is a RSX or new Civic, they are all EG hatches every single one, and most have some sort of weight reduction . . .

funny seems i know a little more than you thought so here they are continued :

Crank - CA / 12.82 @107 / Honda Fit / Stock K20A CAI/Custom 4-1 Header / 2550lbs / 205/50/15 Bridgestone Potenza Street Tires

allmtrallday - CA / 12.9@112 / EG HB K20R DTR Header + Tuned / 2200lbs / 205/50/15 Falken Azenis

CRXBart - OH / 12.979@109.62 / 89 CRX Si/K20R DTR 4-2-1, 2.5" thermal exhaust, custom fabbed CAI, tunned Kpro / 2XXXlbs. / 205-50-15 Azenis RT615

John_civic - CANADA / 13.40@105 / EG K20Z1 Kpro,Rcrew header, Skunk2 Exhaust / 22xxlbs / 205/50/15 Azenis

93cx / 13.43 sec @ 107 / DC4 K20R - Intake / Rcrew header / Untuned K-pro / 2250 lbs - 205-50-15 AVS ES100


sure i could continue, but i think i proved my point from the site that you said proved yours

only what 4 guys under 13.00 with true street tires, and damn near every single one of them is one of the lightest honda bodies made the EG and the CRX! so like i said if it wasnt an EG or old CRX hatch no other car would run under 13 with an all motor anything honda without being stripped out PERIOD

and even then only 4 are under 13.00 ona forum of enthuisiasts

beefy Si

hahaha! YOU are the one who brought up 12's on ANY HONDA NA! Either way, since you are too dumb to navigate the internets...I will do it for you.

Eat ****:

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=404336

Quickest ET N/A Type S
1. 12.3 @ 115 - K20A2
2. 12.4 @ 110 - RSX-Slow
3. 12.582 @ 107.45 - PacDawg
4. 12.906 @ 105.67 - HardcoreRsxS
5. 12.963 @ 104.78 - NSTLLMNGR
6. 13.0xx @ 103.xx - NtenseK20
7. 13.154 @ 104.05 - edo
8. 13.330 @ 102.23 - gamebred26
9. 13.366 @ 105.015 - kalboako
10.13.434 @ 105.43 - Notorious RSX
11. 13.457 @ 101.45 - StrikeAnywhere
12. 13.496 @ 107.7 - Freshnice1
13. 13.569 @ 101.53 - 9bells
14. 13.571 @ 102.75 - nowak18
15. 13.627 @ 101.15 - volitilersx03
16. 13.634 @ 102.30 - 02RSX S
17. 13.642 @ 102.11 - 05MagS
18. 13.665 @ 100.12 - DC5 RSX
19. 13.668 @ 102.16 - eddie123
20. 13.716 @ 102.52 - BG RSX
21. 13.793 @ 102.74 - peter
22. 13.800 @ 101.90 - CivicType S
23. 13.801 @ 103.63 - ThatDC5guy
24. 13.803 @ 101.85 - MugenHonda
25. 13.807 @ 104.66 - DC5A2


We will go ahead and say that if the ones in the 12s are on DRs, the first 3 could still run 12's w/o them.

PNYKLR-TA

haha ok so 3 of them could still run high high twelve's, and did i not say yea sure a couple of them in the entire country could. . . i did didnt i. but thats not nearly the normal, and second off we dont know what those guys race weight are, my guess would be they are stripped somewhat considering how much faster they are then the other 4-25. . . you are laughable dude. OMG there are 3 guys in the whole US from this list running 12's so its possible. . . yea sure it is. . . just like its possible for a stock LS1 to hit a 12.5 with a professional driver. . . but is it the norm, or even more than 5% of the cars. . . no! its not nearly. congrats on proving yourself wrong there captain beefy SI.

beefy Si

It doesn't matter...its the same chassis. Many of those cars still have full interior! And have plenty of room to improve. 3 guys in the U.S.?? You mean 3 guys that have even come across that thread on CRSX? That also doesn't even matter. All it takes is ONE! There could and will be many more. So yea...you are an idiot. You were wrong. You don't know what you are talking about.

:EDIT: So I see that you said I proved myself wrong? When and how the **** was I wrong. You just backpeddled like a ******* and I'm wrong? Don't even post guy. You are a waste of space.

PNYKLR-TA

haha ok this will be the last one for me your beef is just too much for me, i never back peddled, i said only a couple, and by god was i right only a handful of guys have done it, thats like what not even 1 guys per state if we were to take a high guess on how many there really are.

so would someone encounter one of these freak all motor cars!? the chances are slim to none.

you said its easily done, if it was that easy dont you think more of that list would have pulled it off?

so back to my original statement, No N/A honda will make it into the 12's without being stripped, boosted, juiced on street tires. Thanks come again

beefy Si

Thank you. I am too much for you. Because I work on Hondas everyday including my own. So you can't tell me jack **** about them. Bye bye now.

BLAZIN07SS

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beefy...personally i have not seen any 8th gen si's run under a 14.5 NA, even modded.

and PNYKLR-TA, there are 2 eg hatches that i know of with k20 swaps running high 11.8's all motor, and only with the backseat removed and a cage.