raced a 08 speed3 tonight
10-03-2008, 03:59 PM
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^^^ I kinda have to agree haha.. It's because we are blown and we fly past when they have to spool up. SS/SC is a better MS3 killer than a SS/TC IMO. (Then again, I'm a little modded so I wont speak for a stock SS/SC)
10-03-2008, 04:01 PM
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i have the 08 ss/tc bone stock it was awesome
i htink they r nice too after the dude showed me it real nice but nto faster than the balt
i mena doesnt the ms3 have better numbers than we do? they say there pushin aorund 280 torgue right? hmmm is it possible this dude couldnt drive i mean i took him byu like a car n a half each time even when he hit it before me i still passed him in 3rd
i htink they r nice too after the dude showed me it real nice but nto faster than the balt
i mena doesnt the ms3 have better numbers than we do? they say there pushin aorund 280 torgue right? hmmm is it possible this dude couldnt drive i mean i took him byu like a car n a half each time even when he hit it before me i still passed him in 3rd
10-03-2008, 04:09 PM
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I raced an '09. 3 digs and 2 40mph rolls. Got him by 3 cars on all 3 digs and 2 cars on both rolls. I believe the reason why this happens is because of their gears being much shorter and almost shifting 4th by the time I shift 3rd. Also, turbo needs to spool up to get going (While I'm whining past him in the mean time 
) Then again.. I guess we're talking about a SS/TC vs. an MS3. Just thought I'd share.
) Then again.. I guess we're talking about a SS/TC vs. an MS3. Just thought I'd share.
he's probably still breaking it in
10-03-2008, 04:14 PM
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theyre no good wout full bolt ons and a tune with injectors. Even then, they suck it. The pistons in the MS3 are sh*t, and u cant push serious power levels in it without blowing it up. Theyre garbage for a tuner.
10-03-2008, 04:16 PM
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I have seen a stock T/C beat a stage 2 SC. The T/C makes a lot more torque and about 10whp more than a SC. A tuned TC will make a stage 2 SC look like its standing still.
10-03-2008, 04:30 PM
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I was just to the Drag Strip 2 weeks ago and there was a White MS3 all done up, BOV Exhaust, had top have an intake too im sure, he was barely, and I mean barely, pulling out 14.5's most of the night he was up around 14.8 14.9, I ran ocewith my stock TC and ran 14.5, so your judgement.
10-03-2008, 05:25 PM
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yeah n it would deff beat a stock ss/sc n the ss/tc would **** on the sc my friend has the 06 redline sc pretty much the same thing as the cobalts n he cant compete the ms3 was quick but it seemed when he would shift to 3rd id still be in second pulling wayyy hard n just fly by him
10-03-2008, 05:48 PM
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i have the 08 ss/tc bone stock it was awesome
i htink they r nice too after the dude showed me it real nice but nto faster than the balt
i mena doesnt the ms3 have better numbers than we do? they say there pushin aorund 280 torgue right? hmmm is it possible this dude couldnt drive i mean i took him byu like a car n a half each time even when he hit it before me i still passed him in 3rd
i htink they r nice too after the dude showed me it real nice but nto faster than the balt
i mena doesnt the ms3 have better numbers than we do? they say there pushin aorund 280 torgue right? hmmm is it possible this dude couldnt drive i mean i took him byu like a car n a half each time even when he hit it before me i still passed him in 3rd
10-03-2008, 05:48 PM
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Right. They are so close it's not even funny. It'd be a driver's race. Good to see that a stock SS/TC can in fact take on a stock MS3. I had no doubts about that... But yeah, I believe the MS3 is rated @263hp &280ft lbs of torque. Stock it's capable of 0-60 in as low as 5.5, same as the SS/TC. I wanna say C&D even got it down to 5.3seconds... but I don't know how they exactly calculate 0-60. With just an intake, BOV and exhaust it's pushing over 290 crank HP, and 300+ torque.
It's probably the SS/TC's closest competitor next to a CSRT4.
But yeah, I believe the MS3 is rated @263hp &280ft lbs of torque. Stock it's capable of 0-60 in as low as 5.5, same as the SS/TC. I wanna say C&D even got it down to 5.3seconds... but I don't know how they exactly calculate 0-60. With just an intake, BOV and exhaust it's pushing over 290 crank HP, and 300+ torque. It's probably the SS/TC's closest competitor next to a CSRT4.
10-03-2008, 05:50 PM
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C&D cracked off a 5.4s sprint... They openly admitted to abusing the car to do so, on the orders of Mazda engineers. They dumped the clutch hard and flat-shifted the 1-2. I have no problem with this, it's just means the 5.4s isn't representative of what someone who actually owns the car would run.
10-03-2008, 06:59 PM
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U guys are overlooking one important factor though. Sure it can run hihg 12's, but thats ALL it can do with stock internals and turbo. The pistons in that thing are junk, and the turbo is crap too. Engines are blowing up in that thing all over the place. If you want to reliably push anything close to 400 whp, ur gonna need to do some serious work to it. As a modder, it really doesnt stand out at all, and I think its one of the worst modder cars on the market.
10-03-2008, 10:30 PM
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They are Direct Injection, but they don't have the same model of turbo, they are both Borg Warner turbos but the TC has a TWIN SCROLL, MS3/6 is a standard Single Scroll K04...
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac...chmentid=87023
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac...chmentid=87022
Advantage TC for faster spool!
10-03-2008, 10:48 PM
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My friend has an MS6 same engine as the MS3 the 2.3
They are Direct Injection, but they don't have the same model of turbo, they are both Borg Warner turbos but the TC has a TWIN SCROLL, MS3/6 is a standard Single Scroll K04...
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac...chmentid=87023
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac...chmentid=87022
Advantage TC for faster spool!
They are Direct Injection, but they don't have the same model of turbo, they are both Borg Warner turbos but the TC has a TWIN SCROLL, MS3/6 is a standard Single Scroll K04...
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac...chmentid=87023
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac...chmentid=87022
Advantage TC for faster spool!
10-04-2008, 09:59 AM
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Cobalt SS/TC
0-60 5.5 sec
0-100 12.9 sec
1/4 mile 14.0 sec @ 101.8
Weight: 2935
260 hp / 260 tq
Mazdaspeed 3
0-60 6.2 sec
0-100 16.0 sec
1/4 mile 14.5 sec @ 96.4
Weight: 3180
263 hp / 280 tq
10-04-2008, 10:21 AM
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My friend has an MS6 same engine as the MS3 the 2.3
They are Direct Injection, but they don't have the same model of turbo, they are both Borg Warner turbos but the TC has a TWIN SCROLL, MS3/6 is a standard Single Scroll K04...
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac...chmentid=87023
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac...chmentid=87022
Advantage TC for faster spool!
They are Direct Injection, but they don't have the same model of turbo, they are both Borg Warner turbos but the TC has a TWIN SCROLL, MS3/6 is a standard Single Scroll K04...
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac...chmentid=87023
http://www.mazdas247.com/forum/attac...chmentid=87022
Advantage TC for faster spool!
Here's the lnf dyno, the thin lines are the lnf and the thick ones are a 2.4L with a hahn turbo.
10-04-2008, 06:37 PM
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http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...stbaseline.pdf
this dyno more in line with 08 tc.
Nice to see GM finally puting effort into their cars.
Looks like to compete with a TC you'd need the australian Mazdaspeed3 extreme 280hp with around 315torque.
this dyno more in line with 08 tc.
Nice to see GM finally puting effort into their cars.
Looks like to compete with a TC you'd need the australian Mazdaspeed3 extreme 280hp with around 315torque.
10-04-2008, 07:59 PM
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If you're only wanting to go in a straight line and drag race there probably are better choices than the MS3, but there's no need to continually bash or put it down like it's some piece of crap just because you bought something else. Maybe the MS3 doesn't meet your needs. The fact is the new Cobalt handles slightly better in most of the track testing that's been done so far but the Mazda is still an excellent handling car that has a very good chassis and nice build quality and materials. They're also pretty quick as-is and can be modified and have done fairly well.
