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01-03-2007, 09:53 AM
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I wasn't talking to anyone it particular, just saying that I think it IS fair to compair a 21k car with 3k or so in mods to a 24k car. They are on even ground money wise, lol. I don't know what he was expecting. I think it'd be silly to "upgrade" from one car in our class to the next. Considering how cars depreciate, it's not worth spending that kind of money for such small gains. A MS3 would be a great car for someone who doesn't already has a similiar car.
01-03-2007, 09:55 AM
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Lets not get in this stock versus stock battle again. Look at these other threads. A win is a win, a loss is a loss. Stock vs. modded = fair; modded vs. modded = fair; stock vs. stock = fair. Lets all stop making excuses.
Besides evidentally you're hyped up on the MS3. There is a video where an SRT-4 (stock), cobalt ss/sc (stock), and a MS3 (stock) all race. Now the MS3 evidentally has around 268 hp, but a lot of people are calling BS on mazda for it. The cobalt ss/sc in that video kept up with the SRT-4 a lot better than the MS3 did. The MS3 lost HORRIBLY to the SRT-4, when it is suppsoed to have 30+ more HP. So the MS3 may not be as strong as people are making it out to be.
Again, bottom line, the guy posts a kill and says he thought the MS3 would keep up a little better than it did. Nothing at all wrong with that.
Besides evidentally you're hyped up on the MS3. There is a video where an SRT-4 (stock), cobalt ss/sc (stock), and a MS3 (stock) all race. Now the MS3 evidentally has around 268 hp, but a lot of people are calling BS on mazda for it. The cobalt ss/sc in that video kept up with the SRT-4 a lot better than the MS3 did. The MS3 lost HORRIBLY to the SRT-4, when it is suppsoed to have 30+ more HP. So the MS3 may not be as strong as people are making it out to be.
Again, bottom line, the guy posts a kill and says he thought the MS3 would keep up a little better than it did. Nothing at all wrong with that.
01-03-2007, 10:01 AM
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lol 275 whp... your funny, they are slower then an ss stock to stock thanks to weight and lag. That car was over rated as it is, ive seen dyno sheets show 206 and 204 whp on that car with 235 ish torque, there is NO ******* WAY IN HELL that car will be 275 at the wheels with a flash and turbo back hahahahaha....get a life.
01-03-2007, 10:10 AM
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lol 275 whp... your funny, they are slower then an ss stock to stock thanks to weight and lag. That car was over rated as it is, ive seen dyno sheets show 206 and 204 whp on that car with 235 ish torque, there is NO ******* WAY IN HELL that car will be 275 at the wheels with a flash and turbo back hahahahaha....get a life.
01-03-2007, 10:12 AM
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i'm not arguing the race if you read i never said the win wasn't genuine but its the thought behind the win. Do any of us really exspect the MSP3 to win that one? This guy woulda been flamed if the thread was the same **** but him vs a stock cobalt cause it doesnt make sense. Just cause you get a win doesnt make it fair.
whoever said "when you start swapping INTEGRA motors into hondas blah blah blah" if im not mistaken....the motors available in the integras were also available in hondas... modded vs modded = fair. modded vs stock = fair...you should know what you are getting into before you race and if you lose...the other car was faster or had a better driver, dont make excuses about mods not being fair because in all honesty...that guy probably spent half the money to build that car than you spent buying yours so run what you brung thats the only way to play fair.
01-03-2007, 10:27 AM
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I'll use a quote that another member made yesterday:
I think its fair. The MS3 could have won especially with its turbo setup and its horsepower that it was rated at. The reason why we all mod is eitehr be faster or visual reasons. Its all fair. So I disagree that its unfair.
I think its fair. The MS3 could have won especially with its turbo setup and its horsepower that it was rated at. The reason why we all mod is eitehr be faster or visual reasons. Its all fair. So I disagree that its unfair.
01-03-2007, 10:36 AM
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i think you missed his point. hes saying that if you have mods and the other doesnt or vise versa whatever the outcome was it was a fair race no one tried to deceive the other no one tried to cheat the other. if you lose to a more powerfull car you lose to a more powerful car. it doesnt matter if youve spent 3 grand more or not.
01-03-2007, 10:41 AM
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i think you missed his point. hes saying that if you have mods and the other doesnt or vise versa whatever the outcome was it was a fair race no one tried to deceive the other no one tried to cheat the other. if you lose to a more powerfull car you lose to a more powerful car. it doesnt matter if youve spent 3 grand more or not.
Originally Posted by Scythe_Snake
I think its fair. The MS3 could have won especially with its turbo setup and its horsepower that it was rated
01-03-2007, 10:46 AM
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I don't understand what you want to clear up. Don't care what cars are involved, if you give two guys each $24k to spend as they see fit on a car and mods, it's a fair race. Period. For $24k, neither a new MS3 nor a Cobalt is gonna be the car of many people choice for a race. Daily driver, sure. lol.
01-03-2007, 10:49 AM
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I don't understand what you want to clear up. Don't care what cars are involved, if you give two guys each $24k to spend as they see fit on a car and mods, it's a fair race. Period. For $24k, neither a new MS3 nor a Cobalt is gonna be the car of many people choice for a race. Daily driver, sure. lol.
01-03-2007, 10:50 AM
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HE said
Your right i must have missed his point cause right there he's saying the MSP3 is rated high enough from the factory to win AND has a turbo. SO acutally the cobalt was the one at the disadvantage. its a micricle he even pulled out the win against a car with such a high stock crank power rating. PLUS some one had the nerve to say the MSP3 is 24K so since cobalt ss/sc goes for 21K the cobalt should be allowed 3K in mods to make it even. I kept reading his paragraph over and over and i still keep seeing the same thing everytime so i dont think i miss understood it to much. wish they would clear things up.
Your right i must have missed his point cause right there he's saying the MSP3 is rated high enough from the factory to win AND has a turbo. SO acutally the cobalt was the one at the disadvantage. its a micricle he even pulled out the win against a car with such a high stock crank power rating. PLUS some one had the nerve to say the MSP3 is 24K so since cobalt ss/sc goes for 21K the cobalt should be allowed 3K in mods to make it even. I kept reading his paragraph over and over and i still keep seeing the same thing everytime so i dont think i miss understood it to much. wish they would clear things up.
01-03-2007, 10:53 AM
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its cool i put my sword a sheild away. i agree with part of your statment
01-03-2007, 11:00 AM
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you lucky bastard. Throw in a lil underoath or some alexisonfire and thats the best concert ever.
01-04-2007, 12:46 PM
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Lets not get in this stock versus stock battle again. Look at these other threads. A win is a win, a loss is a loss. Stock vs. modded = fair; modded vs. modded = fair; stock vs. stock = fair. Lets all stop making excuses.
Besides evidentally you're hyped up on the MS3. There is a video where an SRT-4 (stock), cobalt ss/sc (stock), and a MS3 (stock) all race. Now the MS3 evidentally has around 268 hp, but a lot of people are calling BS on mazda for it. The cobalt ss/sc in that video kept up with the SRT-4 a lot better than the MS3 did. The MS3 lost HORRIBLY to the SRT-4, when it is suppsoed to have 30+ more HP. So the MS3 may not be as strong as people are making it out to be.
Again, bottom line, the guy posts a kill and says he thought the MS3 would keep up a little better than it did. Nothing at all wrong with that.
Besides evidentally you're hyped up on the MS3. There is a video where an SRT-4 (stock), cobalt ss/sc (stock), and a MS3 (stock) all race. Now the MS3 evidentally has around 268 hp, but a lot of people are calling BS on mazda for it. The cobalt ss/sc in that video kept up with the SRT-4 a lot better than the MS3 did. The MS3 lost HORRIBLY to the SRT-4, when it is suppsoed to have 30+ more HP. So the MS3 may not be as strong as people are making it out to be.
Again, bottom line, the guy posts a kill and says he thought the MS3 would keep up a little better than it did. Nothing at all wrong with that.
01-04-2007, 03:35 PM
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your right little nooblet things like flashs and TBE don't work on turbo cars there lag is just to great. Thats why evo's & sti's are slow also. your right i'll go get a life now. Thank you so much really thank you. Thank you for showing me the truth thank you. if you didnt sign on i woulda kept on believing a lie. thank god you signed on and posted something when you did thank you mattyfinch thank you
The srt-4 only gets 15-20 from stage 1 and 25-35 from stage 2, and that includes injectors....didnt see you say **** about anything but a flash.
As for an sti and evo, in comparison with a mazda speed 3 lol.... wow.. you must really like the madza 3, because besides the fact they all have a turbo, nothing else in these cars is remotely the same. The mazda 3, with turbo back BOV injectors, tuned with a new intercooler could lay down 275whp... but anyone with a boxed turbo from the factory can.
And thanks so much for the refreshing spizzle of humor darksun, without your irrelavent attacks at my knowledge which you know nothing about, especially when it comes to turbo'd vehicles, i think i would forever gone on in life without hearing the word nooblet, or having experienced such a bold and rediculous comparison..
01-04-2007, 03:37 PM
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saosin however, AMAZING, we played at taste of chaos with them in 05 ZOMG... sense's was there too...to me, live, they suck.
01-04-2007, 04:55 PM
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01-04-2007, 05:46 PM
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we played with both alexisonfire and underoath at warped this year in calgary and vancouver.... alexisonfire also let my band open forthem in edmonton, they are amazing, underoath personally are way to involved in there relationsips with god to really impact my life musically.
saosin however, AMAZING, we played at taste of chaos with them in 05 ZOMG... sense's was there too...to me, live, they suck.
saosin however, AMAZING, we played at taste of chaos with them in 05 ZOMG... sense's was there too...to me, live, they suck.
01-04-2007, 05:48 PM
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dude get the sand outta your vagina. dude posts a kill and you have to flame right away. maybe you should think about all the magazines talking about how this was one of the best sport compacts ever and hailing it as the new street beast for under 25K. granted it is stock, but if what the poster said is true the damn thing barely outruns an Si.
I could not agree more.
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good kill... sorry that some people have to be negative nancies 
and get all defensive because they think comparing a $20k car with $2k in mods to a $24k car isnt fair for the MS3
and get all defensive because they think comparing a $20k car with $2k in mods to a $24k car isnt fair for the MS3