5150SS/SC

Nobody is saying it isn't fair. Darksun said it was lame for the OP to say with his MODs that the MS3 isn't anything special, when stock for stock the MS3 is capable of AT LEAST .3 faster times in the 1/4 mile then any stock SS/SC.

5150SS/SC

Magazine racing FTW, the fastest mag time for an SS/SC is 14.4, so I don't believe your time.

sethallen

as a civic owner would say: "take off the turbo and then race....then it'd be fair!"

Delta2.2

lol gm didnt lie. they got rid of any losses from crank to the wheels because GM is just sweet like that and if you put a AEM sticker on ur car, thats good for 10 whp!!

btw:if u believed any of this u need to go burn urself lol jk jk

BACK2GM

I just read in modified mag about MS3 ganied 30whp from a mazdaspeed air intake and catback.There going to be some kick ass cars with mods.

tcolli17

I gotta to say gm didn't lie. Look at any stock dyno graph... about 170-180 hp at 5600 rpm, right in line with what they say 205 hp @ 5600. Just because they didn't run the car past 5600 rpm when they dyno them doesn't mean they lie. Maybe deceived

http://www.caranddriver.com/previews...ged-page2.html

pOrk

just for a little reference, a stage 2 SRT-4 is a lot more than a new ECU/PCM, new injectors, new wastegate, new map and tip sensor. And a Stage 2 w/toys ads more than horsepower as it smooths out the power band and makes for greater usable power. Thats why S2 w/toys SRT's run low 13's.

And as far as flashes, yeah 70 whp would be a retarded assumption for a flash, but the new 2.0T from volkswagen have been seeing 35 whp and 60 wtq from a flash.

Darksun

It would be retarded but I Said TBE and Flash. im just going by what the speed shop Vinshu posted on the mazda forums. There the ones who work with mostly evo's over there in cali i think. They got a MSP3 to play with and the guy said the car was running some kinda of crazy 10 a/fs at red line so tunning it was simple cause it ran richer than stock evo's do. The only thing i was thing it can't be tru about the gains is cause 1. the stock eve turbo i believe is a lot greater than the Msp3's stock turbo but thats the only doubts i have about everything going on with that car. IF people would go surf for them self instead of telling me i know nothing go on there forums look at the dyno graphs and call them liars. Half the people saying i know nothing havent even been over there. They sit here asking cobalt owners about other cars instead of using there E-legs and surfing over to another site. Pork thats like me telling you, you have a turbo V-8 under the hood of your car when i know for a fact i've done ZERO research on the new 2.0T's in the V-dubs and know nothing about them.

West Palm SRT4

There is a vid on SRTforums of a guy buying his MS3, and taking it to the track. He got 3 runs in and they were all 13.9's.

West Palm SRT4

Since when is there rules to racing? Did you write a book or something? Theres only one rule, run what you brung. If you bash him about racing a stock MS3 with his mods, then bash some of the other folks who post war stories of them killing riced out Hondas. Different league, more mods, it doesn't matter. Two cars raced, one was faster due to mods, and won, end of story. Thats sort of the purpose of modifications to a car if you couldn't tell. "I'm slower stock then this car, so I'll mod up and be faster." If we went by your philosiphy of racing, then that'd pit stock cars racing another stock car in its class. Or like saying a modded car can't race a stock car. Wheres the fun, whats the purpose?

West Palm SRT4

Nope, still not proven. Check the track times.

West Palm SRT4

Heard the same. These cars will defenetly be contenders when the aftermarket opens up. I'm also pretty sure Cobb is going to make many things for this car. I'm waiting for someone to come up with a tuning mechanism to get around or control the TPS (torque management system).

an0malous

I wanna see darksun and 5150 make out.

on the hood of a MS3.

this thread is useless without videos of that.

5150SS/SC

Everybody is misunderstanding his posts. He was attacking the guys outlook on a STOCK MS3 that he raced with a modded SS/SC. He thought it was completely close-minded, which it was.

5150SS/SC

I've read some of your posts, what exactly do you bring to the forum besides lame jokes?

Brian MP5T

The turbo is computer controlled to limit Torque in first second and third due to it being a FWD car.

Also, there is no noticeable lag on the road or on the dyno. The turbo is as i said controlled. Turbo cars behave differently, if you put an experienced driver in one, who knows how to manipulate the spool on demand, you end up with driving nirvana.

The car has not been out for more than 3 months. Remember what the SS SC was like stock, look at where you are now two years later... After market Support.

Boost Limit
Re-Flash
Torque Limiter / Trac Cont

Are all in the pipes.

There isn't even a good CAI available for it yet..

Brian MP5T

The SS SC isn't much of a Launch Queen either in it's stock form..

Wheel HOP Masta!

Brian MP5T

Do you even know anything about the car, or are you just guessing?


No they don't. Research Before making stupid statements.

They have a LSD.
The ECU limits HP in the first three gears.

It will hardly spin the front tires because of the limitations placed on it by the ECU.

Torque Steer? I drove one for 2 hours just crusin around and basically testing, It has None unless you are WOT in a corner at 5 MPH.



Once these Factory Granny Controls are removed, then the modding will begin.

AlphaJaguar5

+1000

That car is the new SRT-4. It sucks but it is true. Also that car is faster than an LSJ and so is an SRT. So sad to say it but guys that are close to stock get prepared to get beat by a hatchback.

Darksun

You dont read well i see. I'm not mad about the race I'm mad that he exspected more out of a stock car vs his modded one. He won his race i dont care about that. It's him calling a car thats same class as him slow when its stock and he's not, thats what bothers me. Geez how many times i gotta repeat my self

Darksun

Sorry i can't help you out with your homo-erotic fantasies there buddy. If your looking for hot man on man action i think you clicked on the wrong web site in your favorites list...

Darksun

Ha didn't see this post but thats exactly what im trying to get at. Its like a Cobalt ss/sc owner who's modded to all hell and runs 12's races a stock srt-4 wins then says "I exspected more of a race. I don't know what all the hype about these cars are?" Yeah sure you won the race but did you really exspect anything differnt?

pOrk

He brings some reasonable arguments to the table, but when the moon is right (every 4th post), he pushes the edges of fanboism. That and he actually posts comments about the SS/SC on streetfire in order to protect their reputation on those gay comment boards. Heres to you Mr. Pushes the Edges of Fanboism, we salute you.

Darksun

Damn it Brian say something about all this. I know you hang out over on the mazda speed forums. you musta seen those threads. Don't let these guy write off the MSP# as a non contender like they do most of the other cars on the roads. This site is going to heck... again. More "ibeat a 6.0 GTO" threads and "Just got my 2.7 pulley and flash ZO6 owners beware" threads are poping up like a fresh batch of noobs just got droped off onto the site. This'll be the third time this site has gone through this.

Darksun

HAHAHAHAHAHA, First off trying to argue on street fire is pointless. NO one and i mean NO is gonna be able to have a decent debate on there. the Fanboi to normal member ratio is at least 10 to 1. And 2. I like fanbois they make the world go round and round. They keep me busy here at work till a server or store falls off the network.