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01-12-2009, 03:52 PM
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haha wow look what this tread has got to! maybe i should start threads of my other kills haha. keep it coming guys. some really good info is popping out!
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O MY!! I can take many bets that if you find someone who is willing and ready to race their stock S197 with a 5spd manual, it will beat you over and over. Like "cakeeater" already said, just because you find the person in an auto or someone who isnt racing doesnt make it a win for you. A 13.8 is what the auto S197's cut all day, the 5spd's are more in the 13.5-13.6 range and have hit 13.2-13.3 many times stock. I love my SS/TC and I know what it's capable of, but please stop saying the S197's suck because with the right driver they will eat your car alive everytime.
01-12-2009, 04:01 PM
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13.8 in a 3v is decent for a first time track goer... The AVERAGE manual 3v driver will hit a 13.5-13.6 as their best stock. lots and lots of people have gone lower. Traps in the 105 range have been had, so you walking away from one stock is not going to happen unless you race an auto in the wrong gear, or you are a better driver, end of story. Modded, it's all up in the air depending on mods etc. I still have trouble agreeing with anything you say bowtie. I've tried to be civilized with you, but every time you make bs call outs and claims. You've claimed an ls1 will run 10's with just a tune, you've claimed your ls1 will walk anything i can bring, since we are never going to race i wont even get into that, and you tell me to do some research when you think the new gt's run a 13.8 on a good day...that's slow for an s197. an intake/exhaust 2v will still get walked by a stock s197 easily.
cody i agree with what youre saying that the s197 is not as impressive as some people make it sound and the ls1 was extremely impressive for it's time, but i do disagree that comparing an 03-04 cobra to an ls1 f-bod is invalid when comparing f-bod vs something else is. The 03-04 cobra was just as close in price to the ls1 f-body's as the new edge gt's were. The ls1 was priced right in the middle.
tell me where in colorado you are. I'll talk to some guys around your area with s197's and see if they'd like to meet with you. Instead of the average 50 year old man who's never gone past 80% throttle, we'll set you up with one of the guys that knows how to drive and cut 13.3-13.4's stock. If you'd like to race a bolt on s197, I think spyder lives in colorado and he runs 11's on slicks, mid-low 12's on streets. Good luck.
cody i agree with what youre saying that the s197 is not as impressive as some people make it sound and the ls1 was extremely impressive for it's time, but i do disagree that comparing an 03-04 cobra to an ls1 f-bod is invalid when comparing f-bod vs something else is. The 03-04 cobra was just as close in price to the ls1 f-body's as the new edge gt's were. The ls1 was priced right in the middle.
tell me where in colorado you are. I'll talk to some guys around your area with s197's and see if they'd like to meet with you. Instead of the average 50 year old man who's never gone past 80% throttle, we'll set you up with one of the guys that knows how to drive and cut 13.3-13.4's stock. If you'd like to race a bolt on s197, I think spyder lives in colorado and he runs 11's on slicks, mid-low 12's on streets. Good luck.
You guys make me sick .. Like I am going to race RWD cars from a ******* Dig ... think I am that ignorant your all wrong and 5 speed who gives a **** if its Auto or 5 SPD doesn't matter .. It has proven to be a drivers race almost every time from a roll and frequently from a Dig .
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Im not ******* racing any god damn RWD cars from a dig stop talking about retarded 1/4th times ... and all these stupid insignificant numbers that mean jack **** to me .. I am not the only one who has beaten the last generation GT's from a roll ... Call em up.. Ill take some video ! I am in Pueblo ... And yeah I am not stupid enough to race ******* with mods either what you say is stock is a ******* crock of **** ..
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Just because you dont know how to drive or launch your car you're gonna talk **** about races from digs? I take it you never see the 1/4 mile track do you? Mainly because you suck at launching and cant get good times so you resort to roll racing. I'm not even gonna start on the roll racing thing, because one it's too f*cking dangerous these days and two, it's illegal to street race so I try to stay away from that. How is 1/4 mile racing retarded? You have the NHRA and tons of other racing divisions that race in the 1/8 and 1/4 mile, but you say it's retarded. Learn what real racing is and get back with me.
edit* just raced a 04 gt last night from a dig and got him by about 2 cars up to 100. i spun but o well. play catch up!
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Just because you dont know how to drive or launch your car you're gonna talk **** about races from digs? I take it you never see the 1/4 mile track do you? Mainly because you suck at launching and cant get good times so you resort to roll racing. I'm not even gonna start on the roll racing thing, because one it's too f*cking dangerous these days and two, it's illegal to street race so I try to stay away from that. How is 1/4 mile racing retarded? You have the NHRA and tons of other racing divisions that race in the 1/8 and 1/4 mile, but you say it's retarded. Learn what real racing is and get back with me.
It isn't dangerous if your doing it in a controlled environment .. Might be for RWD but My car has no problems accelerating from rolls ...
ASlo Dig racing has more of a potential to **** **** up internaly and is it really wroth it for 2 people to destroy something rather then go home without winning .. I think not .. I think both people would like to loose unscaved rather then towing the bitch home.. Yeah I have learned this from a lot of ecperience... The cobalt is a bitch to launch and I will admit that its not that fun to race from a dig with FWD has nothing to do with not being good at it if your car isn't getting traction it isnt getting it and your fucked . If any mother ****** here is going to say its easier to lauch a FWD vs RWD im gunna slap you.
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1/4th mile racing is retarded if you are racing 2 cars with roughly the same 1/4th times and the other car is a RWD vs a FWD wtf .. Its called traction and if you knew anything you would know that RWD cars always have the advantage of launching ... Its called physics and maybe you should take a class on that ?
It isn't dangerous if your doing it in a controlled environment .. Might be for RWD but My car has no problems accelerating from rolls ...
It isn't dangerous if your doing it in a controlled environment .. Might be for RWD but My car has no problems accelerating from rolls ...
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So you think you hot **** because you have 800hp and can beat a stock C6, you do understand that a C6 with even 150hp less would walk you hard right?
Stock GT500's don't trap 118mph 9 times out of 10 a stock C6 will take a GT500 in the 1/4.
A- 2007 C6 99% equals a 2001-2004 C5 Z06
B- Neither are a joke
C- Both run low 12's and nothing you own stock would touch either.
My stock 2007 C6 will walk a GT500 from a roll and will pull a good car in the 1/4. As for the GT500KR it's still no match for a Z06 in the 1/4 it's a match for the 2008 LS3 base C6 and from a roll they have there hands full with a 2005 base C6.
The GT500KR Supersnake would be the closest matchup for a Z06 but it would still be dead in the water past the 1/4 mark.
On that note I do find it funny that you even need to compare a econobox Cobalt to a Mustang GT in the first place. Pretty pathetic if you ask me but then agin Ford boys wouldn't want us to compare the S197 to say a 1998 F-Body that can run high 12's stock.
Stock GT500's don't trap 118mph 9 times out of 10 a stock C6 will take a GT500 in the 1/4.
A- 2007 C6 99% equals a 2001-2004 C5 Z06
B- Neither are a joke
C- Both run low 12's and nothing you own stock would touch either.
My stock 2007 C6 will walk a GT500 from a roll and will pull a good car in the 1/4. As for the GT500KR it's still no match for a Z06 in the 1/4 it's a match for the 2008 LS3 base C6 and from a roll they have there hands full with a 2005 base C6.
The GT500KR Supersnake would be the closest matchup for a Z06 but it would still be dead in the water past the 1/4 mark.
On that note I do find it funny that you even need to compare a econobox Cobalt to a Mustang GT in the first place. Pretty pathetic if you ask me but then agin Ford boys wouldn't want us to compare the S197 to say a 1998 F-Body that can run high 12's stock.
I call b.s on the LS1 stock running 12's. I have plenty of friends with them, they sure dont run that. low 13's at best. With a pair of slicks and the right conditions, maybe just maybe a 12.
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1/4th mile racing is retarded if you are racing 2 cars with roughly the same 1/4th times and the other car is a RWD vs a FWD wtf .. Its called traction and if you knew anything you would know that RWD cars always have the advantage of launching ... Its called physics and maybe you should take a class on that ?
It isn't dangerous if your doing it in a controlled environment .. Might be for RWD but My car has no problems accelerating from rolls ...
If I am driving a naturally aspirated 8 CYL vs another car I Love dig racing .. I have a rwd car so it isnt that I cant its that How is racing a FWD car with half the cylinders and fwd a fair race because you only get to see the lower gears in the car and traction isnt equal... Testing cars in higher ratios shows who is the real boss as far as Power to weight ratio goes .. And thats what I am saying The top end on the Cobalt will school a GT every time and how often do you pull up to cars and toy with them at street lights for every one to see your a ******* street racer... I NEVER do that BS maybe on rare occasions ... Racing is racing weather it be from 20 mph to 120 or 0 - 120 ...
It isn't dangerous if your doing it in a controlled environment .. Might be for RWD but My car has no problems accelerating from rolls ...
If I am driving a naturally aspirated 8 CYL vs another car I Love dig racing .. I have a rwd car so it isnt that I cant its that How is racing a FWD car with half the cylinders and fwd a fair race because you only get to see the lower gears in the car and traction isnt equal... Testing cars in higher ratios shows who is the real boss as far as Power to weight ratio goes .. And thats what I am saying The top end on the Cobalt will school a GT every time and how often do you pull up to cars and toy with them at street lights for every one to see your a ******* street racer... I NEVER do that BS maybe on rare occasions ... Racing is racing weather it be from 20 mph to 120 or 0 - 120 ...
And what you dont relize either is I can slap a pair of slicks on my cobra and bust any corvettes ***** all day long at the track. The only way I am getting took is maybe at 160+ I bust everything I come up against. Lets just say I am the kinda driver that my 6 spd sounds like an auto. I wont hesistate to push my car or break something. I took a 5.0 gt with just bolt ons cam heads intake headers and a tremec tko and 4.10 gears with a set of small ass slicks and busted a buddies 408 turbo 350 tranny and nos 99 camaro SS. The bet was 500 bucks at the track that he could bust my ass. It was the best of three. I busted his ass hard 2 times, and then double or nothing one more race and busted his ass again. Having big HP and torque is only half the battle, being a driver is another.
I call b.s on the LS1 stock running 12's. I have plenty of friends with them, they sure dont run that. low 13's at best. With a pair of slicks and the right conditions, maybe just maybe a 12.
I call b.s on the LS1 stock running 12's. I have plenty of friends with them, they sure dont run that. low 13's at best. With a pair of slicks and the right conditions, maybe just maybe a 12.
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And what you dont relize either is I can slap a pair of slicks on my cobra and bust any corvettes ***** all day long at the track. The only way I am getting took is maybe at 160+ I bust everything I come up against. Lets just say I am the kinda driver that my 6 spd sounds like an auto. I wont hesistate to push my car or break something. I took a 5.0 gt with just bolt ons cam heads intake headers and a tremec tko and 4.10 gears with a set of small ass slicks and busted a buddies 408 turbo 350 tranny and nos 99 camaro SS. The bet was 500 bucks at the track that he could bust my ass. It was the best of three. I busted his ass hard 2 times, and then double or nothing one more race and busted his ass again. Having big HP and torque is only half the battle, being a driver is another.
I call b.s on the LS1 stock running 12's. I have plenty of friends with them, they sure dont run that. low 13's at best. With a pair of slicks and the right conditions, maybe just maybe a 12.
I call b.s on the LS1 stock running 12's. I have plenty of friends with them, they sure dont run that. low 13's at best. With a pair of slicks and the right conditions, maybe just maybe a 12.
With what you know of course you would call BS on a stock LS1 running 12's but guess what I care for your opinion as much as your attitude.
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1/4th mile racing is retarded if you are racing 2 cars with roughly the same 1/4th times and the other car is a RWD vs a FWD wtf .. Its called traction and if you knew anything you would know that RWD cars always have the advantage of launching ... Its called physics and maybe you should take a class on that ?
It isn't dangerous if your doing it in a controlled environment .. Might be for RWD but My car has no problems accelerating from rolls ...
If I am driving a naturally aspirated 8 CYL vs another car I Love dig racing .. I have a rwd car so it isnt that I cant its that How is racing a FWD car with half the cylinders and fwd a fair race because you only get to see the lower gears in the car and traction isnt equal... Testing cars in higher ratios shows who is the real boss as far as Power to weight ratio goes .. And thats what I am saying The top end on the Cobalt will school a GT every time and how often do you pull up to cars and toy with them at street lights for every one to see your a ******* street racer... I NEVER do that BS maybe on rare occasions ... Racing is racing weather it be from 20 mph to 120 or 0 - 120 ...
ASlo Dig racing has more of a potential to **** **** up internaly and is it really wroth it for 2 people to destroy something rather then go home without winning .. I think not ..
It isn't dangerous if your doing it in a controlled environment .. Might be for RWD but My car has no problems accelerating from rolls ...
If I am driving a naturally aspirated 8 CYL vs another car I Love dig racing .. I have a rwd car so it isnt that I cant its that How is racing a FWD car with half the cylinders and fwd a fair race because you only get to see the lower gears in the car and traction isnt equal... Testing cars in higher ratios shows who is the real boss as far as Power to weight ratio goes .. And thats what I am saying The top end on the Cobalt will school a GT every time and how often do you pull up to cars and toy with them at street lights for every one to see your a ******* street racer... I NEVER do that BS maybe on rare occasions ... Racing is racing weather it be from 20 mph to 120 or 0 - 120 ...
ASlo Dig racing has more of a potential to **** **** up internaly and is it really wroth it for 2 people to destroy something rather then go home without winning .. I think not ..
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I call b.s on the LS1 stock running 12's. I have plenty of friends with them, they sure dont run that. low 13's at best. With a pair of slicks and the right conditions, maybe just maybe a 12.
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here is a few tuns at the track, HPP is who did my car, and they brought there blue 04 stock motor just like mine, 800 hp TT. and there is also a c6 z06 listen in on the times.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5liae5sZoc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5liae5sZoc
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I dont have the article, but I'm sure it was 12.8, and either way you were gonna call b.s on anyone doing it, when you just said yourself you believe it has gone 12.9.
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Probably not a stock Z06, but I'm sure there are some out there with full exhaust, intake, tune and DR's that would. And what really sucks, being that I'm a Ford guy at heart and rather have an 04 Cobra, it takes alot of work to get them to run low 10's or 9's when all it takes a Z06 is bolt ons and tires, and it's still N/A.
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Im not ******* racing any god damn RWD cars from a dig in my cobalt.... stop talking about retarded 1/4th times ... and all these stupid insignificant numbers that mean jack **** to me .. I am not the only one who has beaten the last generation GT's from a roll ... Call em up.. Ill take some video ! I am in Pueblo ... And yeah I am not stupid enough to race ******* with mods either what you say is stock is a ******* crock of **** .. S 197 blah blah ******* blah ... All I need to know is if it is a Stock GT with nothing but maybe Intake exhaust and some rims NO DR's ... I will not be a coward You ******* call em up buddy .. I am begging to kill stock Gts from a roll all day long ... I just talked to my buddy with a black GT and he has 1 point left on his license so why don't you give me the pleasure of owning your buddies GTs so I can put it all over you tube how they suck major ass stock .....
You guys make me sick .. Like I am going to race RWD cars from a ******* Dig ... think I am that ignorant your all wrong and 5 speed who gives a **** if its Auto or 5 SPD doesn't matter .. It has proven to be a drivers race almost every time from a roll and frequently from a Dig .
You guys make me sick .. Like I am going to race RWD cars from a ******* Dig ... think I am that ignorant your all wrong and 5 speed who gives a **** if its Auto or 5 SPD doesn't matter .. It has proven to be a drivers race almost every time from a roll and frequently from a Dig .
1/4th mile racing is retarded if you are racing 2 cars with roughly the same 1/4th times and the other car is a RWD vs a FWD wtf .. Its called traction and if you knew anything you would know that RWD cars always have the advantage of launching ... Its called physics and maybe you should take a class on that ?
It isn't dangerous if your doing it in a controlled environment .. Might be for RWD but My car has no problems accelerating from rolls ...
If I am driving a naturally aspirated 8 CYL vs another car I Love dig racing .. I have a rwd car so it isnt that I cant its that How is racing a FWD car with half the cylinders and fwd a fair race because you only get to see the lower gears in the car and traction isnt equal... Testing cars in higher ratios shows who is the real boss as far as Power to weight ratio goes .. And thats what I am saying The top end on the Cobalt will school a GT every time and how often do you pull up to cars and toy with them at street lights for every one to see your a ******* street racer... I NEVER do that BS maybe on rare occasions ... Racing is racing weather it be from 20 mph to 120 or 0 - 120 ...
ASlo Dig racing has more of a potential to **** **** up internaly and is it really wroth it for 2 people to destroy something rather then go home without winning .. I think not .. I think both people would like to loose unscaved rather then towing the bitch home.. Yeah I have learned this from a lot of ecperience... The cobalt is a bitch to launch and I will admit that its not that fun to race from a dig with FWD has nothing to do with not being good at it if your car isn't getting traction it isnt getting it and your fucked . If any mother ****** here is going to say its easier to lauch a FWD vs RWD im gunna slap you.
It isn't dangerous if your doing it in a controlled environment .. Might be for RWD but My car has no problems accelerating from rolls ...
If I am driving a naturally aspirated 8 CYL vs another car I Love dig racing .. I have a rwd car so it isnt that I cant its that How is racing a FWD car with half the cylinders and fwd a fair race because you only get to see the lower gears in the car and traction isnt equal... Testing cars in higher ratios shows who is the real boss as far as Power to weight ratio goes .. And thats what I am saying The top end on the Cobalt will school a GT every time and how often do you pull up to cars and toy with them at street lights for every one to see your a ******* street racer... I NEVER do that BS maybe on rare occasions ... Racing is racing weather it be from 20 mph to 120 or 0 - 120 ...
ASlo Dig racing has more of a potential to **** **** up internaly and is it really wroth it for 2 people to destroy something rather then go home without winning .. I think not .. I think both people would like to loose unscaved rather then towing the bitch home.. Yeah I have learned this from a lot of ecperience... The cobalt is a bitch to launch and I will admit that its not that fun to race from a dig with FWD has nothing to do with not being good at it if your car isn't getting traction it isnt getting it and your fucked . If any mother ****** here is going to say its easier to lauch a FWD vs RWD im gunna slap you.
LOL im not a SC guy and a stock gt 08 runs a ******* 13.8 and the cobalts best was a 14.0 and YES guys have had better times then that on optimal track days. you need to look **** up AND never did I say from a DIGG you tool.. You bring your ******* stock GT 2008 whatever ******* year and I will ******* shcool you from a 20 - 40 roll .. Ill put 500 ******* bucks on it .. Stock for stock ! RWD schools FWD from a dig almost 9 times out of 10 you need to get real bro.
Just for being a toolbag I am going to make a god damn vid of my buddies 2001 GT with exhaust and an intake and show you how I still stomp his ass Over and Over AGIAN !
THATS IT
Just for being a toolbag I am going to make a god damn vid of my buddies 2001 GT with exhaust and an intake and show you how I still stomp his ass Over and Over AGIAN !
THATS IT
Holly **** guys this guy is a ******* badass!
He beats STOCK 3V GTs from a roll, I know I don't want to race him.
Too bad hes to big of a ***** to race from dig.
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Probably not a stock Z06, but I'm sure there are some out there with full exhaust, intake, tune and DR's that would. And what really sucks, being that I'm a Ford guy at heart and rather have an 04 Cobra, it takes alot of work to get them to run low 10's or 9's when all it takes a Z06 is bolt ons and tires, and it's still N/A.
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but seeing as ford only believes in the 4.6 and the 5.4 instead of actually building a push rod v8 instead of modular, You gotta make it out run the competition some how. And still even with what I have spent, I am still with the car price included way under what a c6 zo6 is priced at.
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thats what makes the foxbody so great and why its listed in magizines as the next first gen camaro. It was fords best work to date, in my book. You can pick them up cheap and put what ever you want in them. even a 460 bb. I watch TT fox bodies run high 4's in the 1/8 th mile, during true 10.5 night here. The have less then 20k in the whole car. Expensive car with lots of HP isnt for me. I would rather spend alot less and out run anything. I have a pic of my old 89 lx running mid 5's in the 1/8th with only 17k in the whole car.